Cardinal Hawkwood | 19 May 2017 6:24 p.m. PST |
List in order, if you wish, your choice of who you think may well rate in the "Top Five" commanders of the Seven Years War. Let us keep it to the SYW. In no particular order . Loudon Ferdinand of Brunswick Frederick II François de Chevert Prince Henry of Prussia |
Cardinal Hawkwood | 19 May 2017 6:25 p.m. PST |
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Sobieski | 19 May 2017 6:36 p.m. PST |
Fritz Seydlitz Hadik Daun Wolfe (several honourable runners-up) |
jurgenation | 19 May 2017 7:45 p.m. PST |
Fredrick…Braune…Daun…Coote(India)…Ferdinand of Brunswick..Honorable mention to Peter the 3rd of Russia who won it for Prussia w/out firing a shot. |
Narratio | 19 May 2017 7:53 p.m. PST |
Daun, Seydlitz, Ferdy of Brunswick, Loudon, Freddy II… although the more I look at Coote (thanks jurgenation)… I may have to revise this. |
UpperCanada | 19 May 2017 8:00 p.m. PST |
Wolfe would have to be in the top 5…just for territory achieved. |
Old Contemptibles | 19 May 2017 8:20 p.m. PST |
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inverugie | 20 May 2017 2:54 a.m. PST |
Wolfe's gains were subsequently reversed by Levis, so on the basis of territory 'gained' both or neither. Then again, Amherst defeated Levis, so … The 'top commander' concept is difficult without criteria. Frederick II must be considered a 'top commander' at the strategic and operational levels, but weak at the tactical level. Chevert is a very good tactician, but never operates independently at higher levels: Seydlitz is similar. If you take Duffy's 'Russia's Military Way to the West', Saltykov actually comes out of it quite well. |
Chokidar | 20 May 2017 5:27 a.m. PST |
You have to take the Russians with a pinch of Saltykov… |
Kevin C | 20 May 2017 6:56 a.m. PST |
If we are measuring leaders by what they achieved, then Clive must also be considered. Realize, however, that I don't think he could have held his own in battle against the others mentioned above. That said, you have already mentioned Coote, who was a great commander in India. |
Herkybird | 20 May 2017 1:54 p.m. PST |
Prince Henry Ferdinand of Brunswick Freidrich II Wolfe Daun |
olicana | 21 May 2017 5:07 a.m. PST |
For the Brits I would also offer Clive as a solid candidate for long term achievement. He allowed the Brits to rob that massive, hugely wealthy country blind for the next two hundred years. As they say, you can only beat what's put in front of you. |
21eRegt | 21 May 2017 4:40 p.m. PST |
I've always respected Prince Henry (Heinrich) for what he accomplished with the troops given him. Frederick the Great seems a no-brainer. Daun Chevert Not sure who else. Hard for me to vote for Wolfe since his battles would be glorified skirmishes in Europe. |
Sobieski | 21 May 2017 5:07 p.m. PST |
Interesting that nobody's mentioning Lacy, Loudon, Dessauer, or Ziethen. |
Ramming | 22 May 2017 7:21 a.m. PST |
Browne (bit early I know) Daun Loudon Lacy Seydlitz |
Der Alte Fritz | 22 May 2017 6:56 p.m. PST |
There are a lot of variables to consider: a good understanding of the "Art of War" ( logistics, lines of supply and communication, strategic movements of the army, etc.) French generals , even the bad ones, were competent at the management of an army. The Austrian generals Browne and Daun were good strategic tacticians and I'd include Ferdinand of Brunswick and Prince Henry of Prussia and Marshal Broglie in this category. An example is maneuvering your opponent out of a defensive position without resorting to battle. They were also good stewards of their armies, not risking them all in one battle. Frederick was probably the best general in terms of tactics on the battlefield, although eventually his opponents figured out what he was going to do. Daun also had his moments, particularly in his development of attacking with converging columns. Of course, winning on the battlefield is probably the best measure of a good General, so on that basis my top five are: Frederick II Ferdinand of Brunswick Daun Broglie Prince Henry of Prussia |
Osterreicher | 02 Jun 2017 7:54 p.m. PST |
For Army Command (grand strategic & strategic) i. Friedrich – audaciousness, confidence, unafraid ii. Prinz Heinrich – very careful, husbanding, and manoeuvred well iii. Prinz Ferdinand – good strategic skills against vast numbers, and commanded multi-national army well. iv. von Browne – brilliant strategic vision, and battlefield management . v. de Broglie – solid if late in the game, great organizational vision vi. (honorable mention) von Loudon – strong strategic gifts as well as battlefield skills For battlefield command (operational & tactical) i. von Seydlitz – firmest grasp of the devastating use of cavalry ii. von Zieten – all arms commander, saving the day at Torgau iii. von Loudon – from a brigade of Genzer to a wing, very skilled, tenacious and determined iv. O'Donnell – strong cavalry skills, who bested von Zieten v. von Lacy – great organizational and staff skills to begin the transition to independent divisions (as at Hochkirch) |
von Winterfeldt | 11 Jun 2017 9:05 a.m. PST |
Frederick the Great As runner up Broglie |