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Guthroth30 Apr 2017 2:31 p.m. PST

What rules exist for 20th C battles between small craft on large rivers or lakes ?

I'm thinking Vietnam -type boats and impressed steamers or small merchants on places like Lake Victoria or very large river esturies.


daveshoe30 Apr 2017 7:12 p.m. PST

I would recommend that you check out some of David Manley's rules.

For WWI type stuff – there is Steamer Wars (

For WWII era – I would recommend Action Stations ( or Schnellboote (which can be found at: link

For more modern stuff – try Bulldogs Away! (

They are all fast playing, fun rules.


Guthroth01 May 2017 1:45 a.m. PST

Which would you reckon are better for 70s-80s alternate history games in an AK-47 inspired world ?

Darkest Star Games Sponsoring Member of TMP01 May 2017 8:05 a.m. PST

GHQ has rules for Brown Water Navy Vietnam stuff too.

edit: though I do not recall it having rules for ship-to-ship combat, and no guided missiles and the like.

Guthroth01 May 2017 11:33 a.m. PST

What I want is 'Brown Water Ship to Ship' without missiles.

Dare I ask, does FOW cover it ?

daveshoe01 May 2017 3:26 p.m. PST

For 70's – 80's gunboats (20mm and smaller weapons) I would probably use Action Stations (or Schnellboote) and make up stats for the small boats. You can probably adapt some ships in the rules or make some up.

Action Stations has rules for aircraft too, so you can add in a few WWII surplus fighters for your actions.

Lion in the Stars01 May 2017 8:13 p.m. PST

@Guthroth: Tolerably. The ship rules in Brown Water Navy are OK, but they're written from the POV of a grunt trying to sink a large boat and comparing it to a tank. So you have multiple damage points, saves on each one, etc.

Plus, you're really only working with maybe 6 ships on one side of the battle.

RudyNelson02 May 2017 4:36 p.m. PST

Brown Water navy for Vietnam. Easy to convert the system to other conflicts. i am not so sure about changing scales.

Guthroth03 May 2017 1:59 a.m. PST

What change of scale ? FOW is 1/1 and 15mm just like AK-47

Lion in the Stars03 May 2017 11:36 a.m. PST

AK47 isn't 1:1. One vehicle is a platoon or so.

Guthroth04 May 2017 6:56 a.m. PST

Hmmm. I always assumed it was, and I can't find any reference to unit scale in the V1 book.

The V2 book is clearer. 3 x foot groups is a platoon, 1 model vehicle = 3, and aircraft are 1:1.

That all being said, I don't think the game mechanics are sophisticated enough for it to make a difference whether it's regarded as being 1:1 or not, so I think the BWN models will be just fine.

Murvihill04 May 2017 9:56 a.m. PST

There was a Yaquinto Album Game called "Fast Attack Boats". Doubt that's much help to you now.

Windward05 May 2017 1:15 p.m. PST

The old Yaquinto "Fast Attack Boats" was dice for death. Launch and roll to kill (and usually do) once missiles get into a fight with boats (small boats) it gets ugly quick.

Canuckinator06 May 2017 9:16 a.m. PST

PT Dockyards offers Flaklighter II link or Fury On The Lakes link .

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