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keithbarker12 Apr 2017 3:03 a.m. PST

I am looking for some ships to represent coastal convoys used in the English Channel during WW2 1940ish. These would be destroyers, cargo ships, colliers and the like. Suggestions as to what sort of ship please! I'm not sure what scale I want, but the ideal size would be 6cm for the largest vessel. Suggestions as to manufacturer (ideally European) please!

Thanx
Keith

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP12 Apr 2017 5:44 a.m. PST

1/2400 or 1/3000 are probably the two scales you want to look at.

Navwar are in the UK and do a large range in 1/3000.

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But to order you have to go 20th century and call, mail or fax. Good rep for filling orders correctly and promptly, but no online ordering, no pics.

4D Jones12 Apr 2017 5:46 a.m. PST

1/600 or 1/1200 for coastal craft and coastal convoys.

Allen5712 Apr 2017 6:41 a.m. PST

Europe based I would suggest the Hallmark 1/1250 Coastal range offered by Magister Militum.

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Clydeside also have a couple coastal vessels.

clydeside-flotilla.com

Not Europe based are the Figurehead range which may be the same models as the Hallmarks.
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I have ships from both Hallmark and Figurehead. Nice models but I do not have duplicates to compare the two ranges. Both companies have been good to deal with.

Also offered by these companies are 1/1200 scale aircraft which work well in coastal actions though I force the perspective by using Tumbling Dice 1/600 aircraft. YMMV

I prefer 1/1200 scale for coastal actions. Coastal actions are all about the little guys slugging it out. MTBs MGBs and S BOATS in 1/2400 and 1/3000 are too small. Don't know of a 1/600 seller in Europe. In the US PT Dockyard offers 1/600.

https://ptdockyard.com

keithbarker12 Apr 2017 7:27 a.m. PST

Thanks for your help.

Looking at 1:1200 Hallmark from Magister Militum.

Escorts..

CB42 Hills Class Trawler 182ft 55m = 458mm

CB52 Bangor (VTE) 189ft 58m = 483mm

CB61 Flower Class Corvette 205ft 62.5m = 520mm

Merchantmen…

CBM2 Tramp (Belford) 135ft 41m = 342mm

CBM3 Tramp (Ben Read) 135ft 41m = 342mm

CBM4 Tramp (Annaghmore) 165ft 50m = 416mm

CBM5 Tramp (Broomfield) 171ft 52m = 433mm

CBM6 Tramp (Holme Force) 216ft 65.8m = 548mm

CBM7 Flat Iron (Fulham) 234ft 71.3m = 594mm

CBM8 Collier (Kylebrook) 245ft 74m = 616mm

CBM9 Collier (Cordene) 284ft 86.6m = 721mm

Do these seem reasonable (close enough) for the English Channel during WW2 1940ish?

Yellow Admiral Supporting Member of TMP12 Apr 2017 8:08 a.m. PST

I'm with most of the other guys here when you say "coastal", I think 1/1200 or 1/600, since a lot of the coastal vessels were small. In 1/1200, most MTBs will be around 2cm, most DDs and escort destroyers in the 5-7 cm range, and coastal cargo ships mostly in between those sizes. Obviously, 1/600 models would be double those sizes.

1/1200 boats are just a tad on the small and fiddly side for MTB gaming, and 1/1200 DDs are just a bit oversized for their speed and gun/torpedo ranges, but 1/1200 is a nice compromise scale for either. It's the scale I will personally go with if I branch into this period, just so I can leverage all my existing shore terrain, markers, accessories, etc. Allen57 already listed the major outlets I know of for 1/1200 coastal forces.

1/600 miniatures are nicer to look at, easier to handle, less fiddly in gaming operations than 1/1200, and therefore generally more fun for naval gamers to play with. They're big enough that you need larger tables to have enough maneuver room, especially if anything DD size or larger is in the game. Allen57 already mentioned PT Dockyard, the new Heroics and Ros has the old H&R 1/600 coastal miniatures lines, and you can also shop the 1/700 scale plastic model manufacturers for cargo ships, planes, and larger (DD and up) warships. I'm sure there are other options, but this isn't my period, so I'm not much help.

- Ix

PS: Hallmark was the company that made all the Figurehead lines of miniatures (in 1/6000, 1/2400, and 1/1200) before closing its doors and selling its lines to other companies like Magister Militum and Noble Knight. (Incidentally, Hallmark also made a nice line of 18th C. 15mm stuff that included some naval guns).

boggler12 Apr 2017 9:57 a.m. PST

For escorts you would be better off with a V+W destroyer or a Hunt I destroyer. These were frequently used for coastal convoy escort work early in the war.

boggler12 Apr 2017 9:59 a.m. PST

I can recommend this book as a good starting point:

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boggler12 Apr 2017 12:34 p.m. PST

Mick Yarrow also has some 1/1200 coastal stuff:

link

dragon6 Supporting Member of TMP13 Apr 2017 11:05 a.m. PST

Force prospective in naval games. The big plane models bother me. When I play I'm one of the ship captains so the aircraft should be small.

TunnelRat19 Apr 2017 4:12 a.m. PST

I second Yellow Admiral's comments about 1/600.

A 6x4 table is big enough for a standard game but if you can go longer then it makes the convoy games more fun as the convoy has to travel further to get away from the pesky E-Boats.

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