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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP11 Apr 2017 10:49 p.m. PST

"When the first images of a sarin gas attack streamed into the White House Situation Room, President Donald Trump ordered his National Security Council to come back to him the next day with some concrete options. Defense Secretary James Mattis, National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Joseph Dunford did just that; after rounds of meetings with national-security principles, President Trump ordered the U.S. Navy to launch fifty-nine cruise missiles on an Assad regime airbase where the gas attack originated.

At the same time, the NSC was putting the final touches on a North Korea policy review that has been an ongoing project for months. Unlike the administration's deliberations on the Syrian chemical weapons attack, President Trump is giving his national security advisers far more time and a wider degree of flexibility. Before the policy review began, the Wall Street Journal reported in March that Deputy National Security Adviser K.T. McFarland directed aides to include "ideas that one official described as well outside the mainstream."

We now know just how unconventional some of these options are: they apparently include everything from reintroducing nuclear weapons to South Korea as a show of force and deterrence to assassinating Kim Jong-un and his top commanders. "We have 20 years of diplomacy and sanctions under our belt that has failed to stop the North Korean program," a senior intelligence official involved with the review told NBC News. Read between the lines and it's obvious what the overall message from the Trump administration is: North Korea is a problem that has been on Washington's hot-plate for way too long, so it's time to shake up the establishment and look for new alternatives…"
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Mako11 Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member11 Apr 2017 11:37 p.m. PST

I suspect the other Norks, or Chinese could do that far easier.

IMHO, the NK, Iranian, and Pakistani nuke programs, and/or their nuke weapons stockpiles need to be eliminated, but that is difficult to do.

Not impossible, but there's definitely a high hurdle there.

ALL are a real danger to the world.

GarrisonMiniatures Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member12 Apr 2017 1:21 a.m. PST

And Russian, Chinese and American nukes?

Higher hurdle but a greater danger to the world.

Stryderg12 Apr 2017 5:53 a.m. PST

Except that Russia, China and the US aren't straight up #$^@# crazy. They're just a little crazy. Much less danger from the less crazies.

Kevin C Supporting Member of TMP12 Apr 2017 6:02 a.m. PST

It is illegal to assassinate a head of state. There are those, however, who would argue concerning the definition of "assassinate." But such arguments will take one down a very slippery slope.

Mako11 Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member12 Apr 2017 6:40 a.m. PST

Actually, the big three have a long history of reasonable stability, unlike the others I mentioned.

Decades ago, Russia wanted us to go all in with them and nuke China, to remove them from the game board. We didn't agree. Not sure how the other two feel about America, but they'd be hard-pressed to do that to use I suspect, without MAD being invoked.

Laws can be changed, when necessary.

Perhaps they should just try Un in absentia for his use of chemical weapons on his half-brother, in public, and give him a death penalty sentence, to be carried out as conditions permit. Capital punishment is legal here, but I understand it is frowned on in Europe, and some other countries.

Pan Marek Supporting Member of TMP12 Apr 2017 6:54 a.m. PST

Kevin- How dare you raise the spectre of the law! the USA can, and often will, violate such law whenever we feel like it. Then, when a foreign power assassinates our President, we will howl about the law.

Allen5712 Apr 2017 7:06 a.m. PST

Assassination is abhorrent to me. We need to find some way to curb the NK lunatics but I don't know how. To me such an option is morally akin to using the A-bomb on Japan. I have a T-shirt from the SAC museum with a mushroom cloud on it and the statement "It seemed like a good idea at the time". Assassinating Kim Jong In might fall under the same sentiment.

Darkest Star Games Sponsoring Member of TMP12 Apr 2017 7:32 a.m. PST

I say we send the Kardashians over to NK and let nature take it's course. Soon, NK would become a consumer society full of iPhones and organic hand made running shoes and theit TVs will be full of shows like "The Real Housewives of PyongYang" and their higher echelon leaders will be so busy getting Botox and breast augmentation for their wives that they won't have the time to persecute religious folks or plot invasions. Or something bad might happen. It'd be a win-win regardless.

Personal logo Flashman14 Supporting Member of TMP12 Apr 2017 7:42 a.m. PST

There's a documentary on this already:

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Stryderg12 Apr 2017 8:00 a.m. PST

"Kill them with Kardashians" … not sure, but I think that's against the Geneva Conventions.

GarrisonMiniatures Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member12 Apr 2017 8:47 a.m. PST

'Actually, the big three have a long history of reasonable stability, '

Long term, can you guarantee this? There have been several very (as in VERY) near misses… plus it has been a stated policy by both sides that they will use nukes, and in one case did use nukes.

14Bore Supporting Member of TMP12 Apr 2017 12:30 p.m. PST

The next closest relitive takes over and we start all over again with the next Kim Jong X

Personal logo jdginaz Supporting Member of TMP12 Apr 2017 2:41 p.m. PST

"It is illegal to assassinate a head of state"

Not when your at war with the nation and technically we are still at war with NK.

JMcCarroll12 Apr 2017 3:58 p.m. PST

Darkest Star Games is right. Just keep sending Coke-a-cola, blue jeans and porn! It's worked in the past, no need to kill anybody.

Mako11 Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member12 Apr 2017 4:11 p.m. PST

Un seems to revel in assassinations, usually by firing squad using an AA gun.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander, I suppose. Wouldn't shed a tear.

Excellent point, JD.

USAFpilot12 Apr 2017 4:13 p.m. PST

Assassination is a bad idea. NK is much bigger than just one person. There is an entire state run bureaucracy that has been running for decades that keeps its citizens in check. NK needs to change from within.

cosmicbank12 Apr 2017 4:24 p.m. PST

Some other guy would take power and he might be smarter and maybe GOOD at his job, then he would offer the South a Deal they could not refuse, then China would get upset and Japan would get worried, And Russia would have to do something and then it all goes up. No thanks keep him in power were he can't do much harm outside of North Korea.

cosmicbank12 Apr 2017 4:26 p.m. PST

'Actually, the big three have a long history of reasonable stability,

is that why we Number our Wars?

Personal logo piper909 Supporting Member of TMP12 Apr 2017 4:50 p.m. PST

"Darkest Star Games is right. Just keep sending Coke-a-cola, blue jeans and porn! It's worked in the past, no need to kill anybody."

Yep. Our addictive, low-brow culture has been our most successful, corrosive weapon in assimilating the world.

Dn Jackson12 Apr 2017 9:54 p.m. PST

Let's see, Pakistan is unstable and full of Islamic fanatics, including people in their Nuke program. It is a country only held together by the military. Iran is ruled by a group of religious fanatics that believe that the only way to bring about the return of their prophet is through Armageddon. Korea is ruled by an individual who could be legitimately insane.

Yet Garrison Miniatures says,"And Russian, Chinese and American nukes?

Higher hurdle but a greater danger to the world"

And its official!!!! If you look at those six countries and decide the greater danger is the US, Russia, and China, I can't take anything you say seriously.

Mako11 Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member12 Apr 2017 11:50 p.m. PST

Excellent point, DJ, which some seem to have missed.

ITALWARS Supporting Member of TMP14 Apr 2017 6:00 p.m. PST

and why not..for the sake of the same principle of justice..why not putting on the same target's list the corrupted, crowned criminals, fat and ineducated dictators of some ME countries that bomb civilians from neigbour countries and threat their own women like slaves?.i 'm still wainting to read on the media a wish to liquidate those ones

Mako11 Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member18 Apr 2017 11:50 p.m. PST

Who, the "moderate" some were calling Assad, just a few years back, as pronounced by a certain female, Sec. of State?

ITALWARS Supporting Member of TMP19 Apr 2017 5:20 a.m. PST

within the overall ME picture and considering he is fighting in our place vs ennemies of civilization…i think that Assad is too much moderate

ITALWARS Supporting Member of TMP19 Apr 2017 5:24 a.m. PST

there is not even a single evidence for what he is accused..it'll be a serious mistake to make the job that terrorists are asking us to do…

Legion 425 Apr 2017 6:54 a.m. PST

I think many in the North might be glad he was gone. Who knows maybe there would even be an uprising, internal insurgency, etc. ? I'd imagine even some in the Nork military would like to see him out of power/dead.

One thing we had to remember. Many in the North want to be part of the South. And the South wants to unify with their northern cousins. But the South realizes, like happened when West & East Germany was reunited. They would have a lot of rebuilding to do on the North infrastructure, etc. And move them into the 21st Century. We even have a former North Korean who escaped to the South at the Y.

One consideration though. Is to remember what happened in Iraq. When Saddam was removed from power. However, I believe there are less competing factions in the North than Iraq. So they might be glad for the US/UN's liberation , etc. As we see even today Iraq is wedded to all the factions competing, primarily based on tribal/religious, etc., ideologies. I don't think you'll find that in North Korea.

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