""capitaine en second"" Topic
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| Osage2017 | 11 Apr 2017 7:14 p.m. PST |
Hi, Was the "capitaine en second" rank only in the French artillery ? What about their infantry ? Captain First Class / Captain
Captain Second Class / ?
Lieutenant First Class / Lieutenant
Lieutenant Second Class / Sub Lieutenant |
| 15th Hussar | 11 Apr 2017 7:56 p.m. PST |
Plenty of nations in the 19th Century had "Second Captains" attached to Field and Heavy artillery, though rarely Horse artillery. Since a field battery had the equivalent firepower of an infantry battalion, many nations decided to follow the (unknown to me) leader and assigned 2nd Captains, usually newly promoted, to assist and replace the battery commander if killed or wounded in action, or command a half battery, if deemed necessary. |
| von Winterfeldt | 12 Apr 2017 4:47 a.m. PST |
existed also in the infantry |
| Le Breton | 12 Apr 2017 5:15 a.m. PST |
For French artillery …. capitaine en 1er First Captain, Captain 1st Class commanded the company
capitaine en 2e Second Captain, Captain 2nd Class often/usually detached, to arsenals, fortified "places", manufactories, etc.
lieutenant en 1er First Lieutenant, Lieutenant 1st Class commanded a (variable) sub-division of the company's guns
lieutenant en 2e 2nd Lieutenant, Lieutenant 2nd Class commanded a (variable) sub-division of the company's guns sous-lieutenant : Sub-Lieutenant not in a company, this was the rank given to students at the Artillery and Engineering School. |
| Osage2017 | 12 Apr 2017 6:31 a.m. PST |
von Winterfeldt wrote "existed also in the infantry". Can you, please, elaborate more on this matter ?
I know in Russian and Prussian infantry were two captains:
staff-captain (stabskapitan) and captain. But what about the French infantry ?
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| von Winterfeldt | 12 Apr 2017 7:50 a.m. PST |
"the law ofd 12.05.1797 created three classes of capitain. The captain first class had the right to command the battalion in the absence of the battalion commander."
source Crowdy: Napoleon's Infantry Handbook Kindle edition. You find an awfull lot more in this handbook discussing those three classes, it seemingly was a matter of ancienitι payment and responsibility, not displayed on rank insignia, hope that helps |
| Nine pound round | 17 Apr 2017 6:26 p.m. PST |
Ancienite = seniority. Brits had 2nd captains, too. |
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