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07 Nov 2017 4:24 p.m. PST
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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian10 Apr 2017 11:49 a.m. PST

…what would you change?

Fat Wally10 Apr 2017 11:56 a.m. PST

The lighting. Still horrible.

Dynaman878910 Apr 2017 11:58 a.m. PST

It would be in the Atlantic City Convention center.

Wackmole9 Supporting Member of TMP10 Apr 2017 12:10 p.m. PST

I cant think of anything I would change.

Jamesonsafari Inactive Member10 Apr 2017 12:49 p.m. PST

I would be there

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP10 Apr 2017 12:50 p.m. PST

Two Days.

or…at least…open at 9AM close at 9PM.

Would anyone make Christmas Day last just 7 hours ?

I rest my case your honour. grin

JimDuncanUK10 Apr 2017 1:00 p.m. PST

Nothing, don't go there.

foxweasel10 Apr 2017 1:25 p.m. PST

I'll tell you on the 23rd, it's my first one this year. Can't wait!

Goober10 Apr 2017 1:58 p.m. PST

The parking charges.

JMcCarroll10 Apr 2017 2:08 p.m. PST

Some place that I could drive to from Rochester NY.

Zagloba10 Apr 2017 2:55 p.m. PST

I'd move it to Denver

Coyotepunc and Hatshepsuut10 Apr 2017 2:57 p.m. PST

I would move it to Fresno, CA

Personal logo Vis Bellica Supporting Member of TMP10 Apr 2017 3:05 p.m. PST

Seconded on the lighting

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP10 Apr 2017 3:39 p.m. PST

I would move it to the Host.

Buck21510 Apr 2017 4:56 p.m. PST

Move it to Xfinity Arena in Everett, Washington so I could attend…

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP10 Apr 2017 7:30 p.m. PST

Leave it where it is, but provide free roundtrip airfare!

Titchmonster10 Apr 2017 8:15 p.m. PST

Get my wife to let me go again. It's the airfare combined with the purchases at the show which shoots it down every year. One or the other would be about the same, it's just the combination. I know from my visit several years ago that I cannot behave myself with the amount of goodies on display.

YankeePedlar01 Inactive Member11 Apr 2017 1:11 a.m. PST

Gave up on it three years ago. Overpriced, overcrowded, over hyped and full of sci-fant tatt. Much prefer to spend my funds on trips to Carronade and Claymore.

Cerdic Supporting Member of TMP11 Apr 2017 2:13 a.m. PST

Less sci-fi and more historical would be good. But I guess that's just how the market is.

I don't find it overpriced or overcrowded, but then I live in London! (For the benefit of our foreign friends, London has evolved over the last couple of decades almost into a different country to the rest of the UK!)

Palewarrior11 Apr 2017 4:28 a.m. PST

It would coincide with my (overdue) big lottery win ;)

legatushedlius11 Apr 2017 4:45 a.m. PST

Lighting, lighting, lighting!

coopman11 Apr 2017 5:08 a.m. PST

Relocate it to New Orleans LA, USA!

Reactionary Inactive Member11 Apr 2017 5:24 a.m. PST

Less sci-fant more historical, stopped going two years ago. Having been going on and off since Kensington town Hall days…

Bad Painter11 Apr 2017 5:32 a.m. PST

A ban on rucksacks/backpacks, or at least limit their size to that of a small refrigerator.

John Treadaway Inactive Member11 Apr 2017 9:39 a.m. PST


Cornelius Supporting Member of TMP11 Apr 2017 9:40 a.m. PST

1st Better lighting – yes
2nd Better food/drinking establishments – yes
3rd Less unyielding floors – yes

(ban on very large rucksacks maybe but let's be honest, if you get there by public transport and then buy a lot how else are you to transport it if not in a moderate-sized one).

Timmo uk11 Apr 2017 9:43 a.m. PST

I'd move it to Ally Pally. It's a much nicer venue had hosts model railway and classic car shows so plenty big enough.

Von Trinkenessen11 Apr 2017 10:28 a.m. PST

Less hysterical more sci fi
and I'm putting on a historically based game this year,

I'm with John T on this a total can of worms grognards "remembering" antiquated unsuitable venues with rose tinted nostalgia.
Lighting is almost always an issue at venues used in the UK. Having been to and put on games for the last 40 years Salute is not the worst.
For me having a form of tinnitus its the lack of acoustic baffles ( I'm wearing ear plugs this year) well at least it's not Model engineer show with 1/6 scale R/C tanks rattling about the concrete!!!

Black Hat Miniatures11 Apr 2017 11:51 a.m. PST

I didn't go last year for the first time in years -since Kensington days.

It has simply become too big and too busy for me – I didn't particularly enjoy it as a trader (a very long, hard day when I had M.E. – though the money was good!) and really didn't enjoy it as a punter the only time I have experienced it as such at Excel. But then I am old and cynical :-)

But all shows are slightly less exciting nowadays because we get to see everything on the web before we see it in person.


Von Trinkenessen11 Apr 2017 12:15 p.m. PST

Mike I think your last comment:

"But all shows are slightly less exciting nowadays because we get to see everything on the web before we see it in person."

says a lot about how the hobby has progressed over the last decade or so.

If some conventions are becoming too big and busy , would it be an idea to look ,say at the American model and start combining the best of both sides of the Atlantic?

Black Hat Miniatures12 Apr 2017 2:02 a.m. PST


I used to enjoy Games Fair which was a residential RPG convention back in the 1980s at Reading University.

The problem in the UK is the cost of hotels and even university campuses are now a lot more expensive out of term time as they have moved into the conference market.


Trajanus12 Apr 2017 3:55 a.m. PST

The lighting has improved (may not require sunglasses but it has improved) so I'd have to go with the floor.

Back with a game again this year, having been ill in 2016, so I'll be on my feet from 08:00 – 18:00 or so.

I'll know it by the end of the day!

Mick the Metalsmith Inactive Member12 Apr 2017 4:05 a.m. PST

The date

Oudinot Inactive Member13 Apr 2017 3:30 a.m. PST

Perhaps move it to a Sunday.
More historical, in addition to the sc/if not instead of.

Have not attended for 2 years, but food and parking was not an issue when I was last there. Parking £15.00 GBP for the day.(Shared between 5 of us).

Bad Painter13 Apr 2017 5:04 p.m. PST

I haven't been to Salute in about 8 years so I will be able, hopefully, to say what has improved or gotten worse since my last visit. My fellow Americans always seem to find something to complain about at shows on this side of the Atlantic, but I will try to be fair and balanced in my comments.

Personal logo DWilliams Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member14 Apr 2017 7:27 a.m. PST

Dealers all offer 50% convention discounts!!

Volleyfire14 Apr 2017 12:33 p.m. PST

Move it to the Midlands, preferably Newark Showground, and on a Sunday.

Codsticker14 Apr 2017 7:40 p.m. PST

Move it to the Midlands, preferably Newark Showground, and on a Sunday.

Or, even better, Canada.:)

huron725 Inactive Member16 Apr 2017 2:13 p.m. PST

As others have said; me being there!

Poniatowski Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member18 Apr 2017 6:38 a.m. PST

It would be that I could attend!!!!!

Deuce03 Inactive Member22 Apr 2017 10:29 a.m. PST

I always enjoy it. Having just got back, inevitably, I'd like to have seen more ranges I'm interested in, but that's different for everyone.

My eyes adjusted to the lighting pretty quickly but I realised how dim it was when I stepped out into the hall. Better lighting would be great, but I don't know what the organisers can do about that except maybe move the venue.

monty1815 Supporting Member of TMP24 Apr 2017 3:31 a.m. PST

I spend the first couple of hours going round the traders buying stuff and taking advantage of the special offers. This means that I am well loaded down by 12.30.A safe place to leave these bags till show end would be great as I could then sit down ,have a bite to eat and drink and refreshed enjoy the games in the PM.Maybe save the problem of the back packs too.Would n't mind paying a couple of quid for this service and would mean I would stay longer.
I am a pensioner though so maybe this only applies to old fogies

Bindon Blood24 Apr 2017 3:59 a.m. PST

Goober has it right. the parking, up another fiver this year….

WillieB Supporting Member of TMP24 Apr 2017 5:47 a.m. PST

Not much or better said nothing at all.

The only thing that bothers me is the acoustics but that's my personal problem and has little to do with that particular show. I'm totally deaf on my right and after 2 hours of Eurostar (tunnels!) I usually arrive quite deaf at Salute. It takes an hour to an hour and a half to get my hearing back up to 'normal'. Which isn't anything to write home about to begin with. OTOH my lip-reading is getting better every year.grin

Moving it to a Sunday would mean that I could possible drive over there instead of using the by now rather unreliable Eurostar train. (It arrived 45 minutes late this year after a technical problem at Ashford.)Traffic is much lighter on a Sunday (if the SELWG show is anything to judge by) but wouldn't it clash with the marathon then?

This was either my 29th or more probably 30th Salute, and while yes, I loved the carpet at Olympia or even the warrens of Kensington, I'm realistic enough to understand that a show of this magnitude is only possible where it is now.

Being a show organiser myself I can only applaud the Warlords for their continued efforts to make this one of the hobby highlights of the year.

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