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Royal Marine04 Apr 2017 3:46 p.m. PST
dBerczerk04 Apr 2017 4:38 p.m. PST

I got as far as the cheap shot at the current President of the United States of America, and then read no further.

Private Matter04 Apr 2017 5:47 p.m. PST

Nice write up. While I didn't notice any cheap shot I feel I must point out that at that time period the name still would've been Drumpf though.

Royal Marine05 Apr 2017 1:21 a.m. PST

All leaders of all countries must be prepared for parody. I'm sure there were Germans during WW2 who also didn't like Hitler being parodied, same as the UK also suffered from Churchill getting the cartoon treatment. I did feel Stallone didn't deserve that treatment, being the true boxing legend that he remains. I will also be writing to the UK Prime Minister to complain about the British Brigadier's name.

I notice no-one has mentioned George Washing-Line, the first POTAS.

Now, where are my notes on Mr T and Hulk Hogan …. I feel an ACW scenario coming on.

Private Matter05 Apr 2017 4:56 a.m. PST

+1 RM

Dave Crowell05 Apr 2017 5:42 a.m. PST

Public figures are fair game for satire.

I have skewered both those I respect and those I don't.

George Washing-Line is good.

The Cooking Pans reminds me of the frequently contested village of Notmuch-on-Table Edge.

bruntonboy06 Apr 2017 4:10 a.m. PST

Nice write up and all politicians/celebrities/religious worthies deserve to be ridiculed and sent up. It comes with the job IMHO.

WarWizard06 Apr 2017 9:06 a.m. PST

That cheap shot turned me off also. No interest after that.

kallman06 Apr 2017 2:41 p.m. PST

Ah the angst of the thinned-skinned. Good report and I too have engaged in using political lampooning to liven up a game and to show that we are playing for fun. Carry on and have a good time.

Royal Marine07 Apr 2017 6:46 a.m. PST

"… above all a sense of humour is required for those serving in military operations …"

I like finding thin skins, it makes me more motivated. My close US Armed Forces colleagues smile alongside me :-)

grtbrt Inactive Member08 Apr 2017 4:39 a.m. PST

I find it an interesting write up ,I may try the rules .

I also found it interesting that some people like to classify attempts at humor as cheap shots,but only if it is directed towards people that they like.

dBerczerk08 Apr 2017 8:20 a.m. PST

grtbrt -- I find it interesting that you found it interesting that someone might be offended by disparaging remarks made against the President of the United States of America in a blog post linked to The Miniatures Page.

I do not like you, but as an honorably-discharged member of the U.S. Armed Forces, I would not like to see cheap shots directed at you here on TMP, or anywhere else.

I realize that good manners are out of fashion in this modern era, and that attempts at humor directed at white males, particularly if they are Christian, are perfectly acceptable in our day and age. Try attempts at humor directed at persons of another race, gender, religion, or sexual orientation and see how far you get.

Royal Marine08 Apr 2017 10:50 a.m. PST

This was a post about a warGAME. It was tongue in cheek. As already mentioned there have been many times when parodies have occurred.

@grtbrt: Honours of War are a great set of rules and very flexible for all 18th Century Linear warfare, we've used it for the Jacobite Rebellion very successfully. AND we had a lot of humour in the write ups, we even made fun of Bonnie Prince Charlie and the Chinless wonders of the Government Forces.

Dave Crowell08 Apr 2017 2:19 p.m. PST

I wonder, would the people who are offended by the cheap shot at the current POTUS have been so offended had a similar shot been taken at his predecessor?

Curious if the issue is taking a cheap shot at POTUS qua POTUS, or taking a cheap shot at *this* POTUS.

dBerczerk08 Apr 2017 3:53 p.m. PST

Dave Crowell -- an interesting hypothetical.

When the original poster puts something on his warGAMING blog lampooning the former President of the United States and links it to TMP, I'll let you know my reaction.

Royal Marine09 Apr 2017 3:45 a.m. PST

The previous one was the best, never let a bad word be said against him ;-)

Early morning writer09 Apr 2017 11:13 p.m. PST

DC, I'd bet money – good money – it is this pOTUS – and that small 'p' is absolutely intentional! Not one ounce of my respect wasted in that direction. Wet blankets will be wet blankets and the one in this thread if wrung out properly would fill several large buckets. The self-anointed self-righteous are a bunch of PITAs, been dealing with them for decades. And they are so easy to walk in a circle to deny their own point of 'reverence'. Pa-te-tique!

Based on geographic location – how many ANV flags hang around his house, I wonder?

But the game and right up looked just fine. So, unless there are more buckets to be filled, how about returning to the focus of a miniatures game?

dBerczerk10 Apr 2017 3:49 a.m. PST

Early morning writer -- you lose your money.

Your lack of tolerance for a dissenting opinion is quite amusing. Someone holds views different than your own -- default to name-calling and labeling (perhaps considered good form based on your geographic location).

There are no flags of the Army of Northern Virginia in my home -- my ancestors were for The Union. However, I may yet begin collecting American Civil War armies, so ANV flags may some day enter my home.

Royal Marine10 Apr 2017 9:44 a.m. PST

My ancestors fought for a Union, but then we lost the AWI so the union with the colonies was lost! Solace remains in wargaming where no real blood is shed and fun remains the aim, humour is a bonus. The AWI will be revisited many times and names will be used.

The Young Guard13 Apr 2017 5:24 p.m. PST

I think the fact that you advertised you were offended is what annoyed if people. If you're offended, fair enough, that's your choice and right, but we don't really need to know about it. If you want to share that you're offended, fair play but expect some back lash. Tis nothing to do with respect just harmless banter.

If someone has some choice words about a leader I like I ignore them, tis their view after all and I won't loose sleep about.

Be nasty about my wife, that's a different matter… but she's from Bristol and those girls can take care of them selves 😃

The Young Guard13 Apr 2017 5:25 p.m. PST

Nice review btw Royal Marine!

dBerczerk14 Apr 2017 9:49 a.m. PST

To lampoon the President of the United States in a blog post linked to The Miniatures Page -- even if intended as harmless banter; and then to take umbrage when all do not obligingly chuckle and blindly follow seems rather close-minded.

If someone has some choice words on a public forum about a leader I like, I let them know my opinion. It is their view after all, and I have no intent to alter that view. If that incurs backlash, whether from the left coast of the United States or from across the pond, then so be it.

I haven't lost any sleep about it.

grtbrt Inactive Member14 Apr 2017 11:27 a.m. PST

Disparaging remarks ? I take from that comment that you have never actually met Trump (no idea of the writer has-nor do I care ). I have on numerous occasions and that is the way that he presents himself so he must be comfortable with that characterization.
Since I do not think we have met(and if we did you were forgettable ) – I do not have a like or dislike for you.But I do have a question -Just what does you being a (self stated ) military veteran have to do with anything ?
As to remarks about myself – They really only matter if they come from someone whose opinion I respect.
So it is good manners to declare a dislike of someone based upon what they have written ? If you believe so then indeed you and I have a different understanding of what good manners actually are -but that could very well be due to different societal upbringing .

Perhaps also you are not aware of the history of lampooning politicians , if you care to take a look at the 19th century editions of Punch.

grtbrt Inactive Member14 Apr 2017 11:28 a.m. PST

Royal Marine -
Thanks ,I think I will pick them up and try them . Is 28mm the best scale for them ?
Thanks in advance

dBerczerk14 Apr 2017 11:54 a.m. PST

grtbrt -- If you take a moment to read earlier posts in this thread, you will see the OP comment:

"… above all a sense of humour is required for those serving in military operations …"

"I like finding thin skins, it makes me more motivated. My close US Armed Forces colleagues smile alongside me."

I, too, happen to be a U.S. veteran -- therefore, I also get a say.

I concur -- I do not think we have ever met. Had we, I am sure I could recall the experience.

I do not recall have declared a dislike for someone based upon what they have written. Having never met you, I cannot say that I like you.

Whether you respect my opinions or not is of no import.

As to good manners: yes, I agree -- it would seem we do come from far different societal upbringings.

I come to TMP to enjoy this hobby, and get away from the incessant political claptrap. I don't need to see it here too. If I want that, I'll take a look at the 19th century editions of Punch.

grtbrt Inactive Member14 Apr 2017 12:53 p.m. PST

That's the "benefit" of the internet everyone gets a say No need to justify it -I just didn't see where it was Germaine.
-Actually you quite stated quite specifically that you didn't like me .
"I do not like you" and since we have not met it can only be based on what I have written.
But perhaps you meant to say you do not like what I wrote

You also,wrongly , took it personally regarding me only caring about what people I respect say/write about me .It was a general statement not intended towards you.

As to my reasons for coming to TMP -There a couple of posters(sup.Max in the AWI area for one ) that I enjoy reading that almost always have well stated and accurate information to share . Beyond that I come for amusement .

dBerczerk14 Apr 2017 1:23 p.m. PST

grtbrt -- quite right. I did say, "I do not like you." That is not to say I dislike you.

You have a gift for words. I shall reconsider my earlier assessment.

The Young Guard14 Apr 2017 2:24 p.m. PST

Royal Marine.

I see you have used Maurice before. Do you prefer Honours of War over it?

Royal Marine15 Apr 2017 9:40 a.m. PST

Meanwhile back to the subject matter – Honours of War (and also Maurice):

Honours of War (HOW) can be used for any scale, 28mm is good for the spectacle. I have a lot of 10mm which is great for transporting; the beauty of HOW is it's relative simplicity and ease of use and some elegant mechanisms making it flexible for all 18th Century warfare IMHO.

I have used Maurice, not a lot though, which is still a good system but I seemed to remember it needed a lot of input to run and manage a game, perhaps because I'm not that used to the rules.

dBerczerk15 Apr 2017 6:07 p.m. PST

-- Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

SJDonovan Inactive Member16 Apr 2017 1:26 a.m. PST

Gosh. It suddenly got awfully windy in this thread.

Royal Marine16 Apr 2017 4:16 a.m. PST

Is that the tumbleweed being blown across?

dBerczerk16 Apr 2017 5:48 a.m. PST

May the wind at your back always be your own.

Supercilius Maximus Supporting Member of TMP16 Apr 2017 9:26 a.m. PST

…I just didn't see where it was Germaine.

So we're not going with Sackville then?

grtbrt Inactive Member16 Apr 2017 5:46 p.m. PST

No, went with Germain as he received that during the AWI,'82 I believe.

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