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Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP19 Mar 2017 9:29 a.m. PST

As written, the rules cover British colonial warfare from 1870-1900.
There are plenty of sources to play "other" Colonial periods from French Foreign Legion to Boxer Rebellion.

Let's assume for the moment that the rules are designed for European Imperial Wars, to cover all the bases.

In what other periods have you played games which uses core TSATF concepts?

I am hugely enjoying playing battles of the Musket era, using the rules mainly as written. I gave changed very little.
I have played French and Indian Wars, American Revolution, the '98 in Ireland, War of 1812 and have plans to do Jacobite '45.
What pleases me is how close the games come to the "real battle". Cowpens and Oriskany come to mind.

What periods have you gamed with using core TSATF concepts?

Personal logo Bashytubits Supporting Member of TMP19 Mar 2017 10:33 a.m. PST

AWI, FIW, Aztecs vs Conquistadores.

nnascati Supporting Member of TMP19 Mar 2017 11:19 a.m. PST

I've used it for just about everything at some point since its creation. Currently, TSATF are my go to rules for my Toy Soldier armies.

Chuckaroobob19 Mar 2017 12:05 p.m. PST

Just did WW1 in Mesopotamia yesterday. Even had a gunboat on the Tigris!

Londonplod19 Mar 2017 12:40 p.m. PST

How would they work for the ACW?

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP19 Mar 2017 12:41 p.m. PST

With the various variants, we've done Aztecs vs Conquistadors, pirates, FIW, AMR, ACW, Back of Beyond, and Very British Civil War.


Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP19 Mar 2017 1:34 p.m. PST

How would they work for the ACW?

Very well I would think.
It works very well for 1870-1900 and in my experience pre-1800. grin
In my case I made adjustments to various ratings.

At its heart TSATF is a rules mechanism and toolbox. If you like the way it works for unit activation, then use it.
The charts themselves are not sacred. You are not bound by those numbers, even if you are doing an action on the NW Frontier.

Just don't try to do Gettysburg.
For the AWI I stick to small battles, real or made up.

Hey You19 Mar 2017 2:51 p.m. PST

Late last year I experimented with TSATF and space ship combat in the Red Dwarf era. It worked even for that, but I was not happy with my rules conversions though; they weren't as exciting as I had hoped. The simulant ships seem to always be more heavily armed. :)

Personal logo piper909 Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member19 Mar 2017 3:00 p.m. PST

Extremely versatile "toolbox," yes! Let's see -- I've personally played in TS&TF variants for Jacobites (1745) and Aztecs vs Conquistadores, but I'd love to try others -- I have The Sword in Gaul ancients variant but have yet to play it. (Would need to organize and paint all the armies myself, a bit of a project.)

But in general I should think any Horse & Musket era conflict in particular would be readily adaptable.

My core gaming group consists of players who like TS&TF and those who rather don't -- makes it difficult to get a consensus or quorum together.

Personal logo Grelber Supporting Member of TMP19 Mar 2017 5:01 p.m. PST

I did a Sword in Gaul battle between two Gallic armies, which was fun. In addition, I've done modifications and used them for a Vikings versus Saxons game and a Maniots versus Turks game (Greece, roughly AWI to Napoleonic period, inspired by Patrick Leigh Fermor's book, Mani).


KSmyth19 Mar 2017 5:59 p.m. PST

Mars. We adapted it over to The Sword on Mars and applied it to Frank Chadwick's Space 1889 concept. It's been great.

nnascati Supporting Member of TMP19 Mar 2017 6:33 p.m. PST

I did a Sci Fi variant back in the 70s, when I was a regular contributor to Th eCourier. Dick Bryant refused to publish it.

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP19 Mar 2017 6:58 p.m. PST

How would they work for the ACW?

To follow-up Winston's answer, the Jackson Gamers developed an ACW variant for TSATF titled "The Sword and Secession" [bottom of 3rd page].

It works very well for small scale operations – raids, skirmishes, etc.

And for SciFi, we also did a variant titled "Frogs in Space" which was particularly for one of our member's "unnamed" marine and "alien" figures. [middle of 5th page]

We had much fun developing this one.


mikec260 Supporting Member of TMP19 Mar 2017 7:53 p.m. PST

Pony Wars, too.

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP20 Mar 2017 7:49 a.m. PST

To follow-up on ColCampbell's post, the 'Sword and
Secession' is GREAT for skirmish-level ACW and allows
the recreation of a ton of raid, etc., scenarios.

I had my doubts about 'Frogs in Space,' but it is a really
fun set of rules !

ITALWARS24 Mar 2017 1:50 p.m. PST

i ' m experimented TSTAF with French Republicans VS Vedéens rebels…a sort of colonial assymetrical war
I've also used TSATF in a small skirmish between Garibaldi Red Shirts and Pontifical Zouave near Rome in worked well

Mad Guru Supporting Member of TMP26 Mar 2017 10:28 p.m. PST

French Republican regulars vs. Vendee rebels seems an excellent campaign to use TSATF for, with its forest and marshland rough terrain for "counter-revolutionaries" to hide in!

Come to think of it, I'm a bit surprised no one has mentioned Peninsular War Spanish rebels vs. French regulars -- "The Sword In the Peninsula" or "The Sword In Spain" or "The Sword in the Ulcer"? I bet someone has done it.

ITALWARS27 Mar 2017 4:22 p.m. PST

Mad Guru…i did a solo game having as subject another kind of "ulcer" for the French…i used FYW TSATF modification to set a small solo scenario on my dinner table staging French Republicans French Vs Southern Italy's Neapolitan rebels..better known in British litterature as "banditti" with wrong double "t" :-)…in which the father of Victor Hugo fought as an able counterguerilla leader…one of my favourite lead personality the "banditti girl" in 30mm from Willie participated and resisted succesfully a mélée with good dice trows…we too had a kind of Peninsula ulcer also here in Italy

11th ACR29 Mar 2017 11:45 a.m. PST

Napoleonic that I put together a few years ago.


PS, Anyone wanting a copy please contact me I send you the file.

Smokey Roan Inactive Member11 Apr 2017 4:23 p.m. PST

Star Wars Tatooine Rorkes Drift scenario, small units (Stromtroopers, rebels, Jawas, aliens, etc) besieged by dozens of Sand People units.

Spongebob Dorke's Drift (Zuluplankton attacking the Crusty Crab)

Innsmouth and Mummy Horror battles (militia, civilian and regular units vs hordes of bad guys and monsters)

GREAT adapation for Aztec vs Spanish, but I have never played

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