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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP18 Mar 2017 12:53 p.m. PST

Of possible interest?

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Hope you enjoy!


Amicalement
Armand

Pan Marek Supporting Member of TMP19 Mar 2017 12:01 p.m. PST

The miracle on the Vistula.
My family has photos of those trenches.
They threw ALOT of money at this film. The uniforms, sets and
weapons are all top notch, as is the cinematography (a Polish specialty).
Of course, they gloss over the fact that Poland started the war by trying to recreate the borders of the 17th century commonwealth (read Davies), and there are real doubts about how much Lenin really was trying to bring the revolution to all of europe.
But the combat scenes are excellent, as is conveying the basics of Pilsudki's victory. Stall the Reds at the trenches before Warsaw, then hit them in a massive flanking maneuver.
I would debate as to how quiet and prosperous Warsaw would have been just before the war started. Poland was just getting restarted after 4 years of WWI.
In the end, and probably due to my heritage, I could not help but be inspired by Boy Scouts and women's battalions, the Polish American flyers and the multitudes digging trenches to stop the Bolshevik hordes.
Poles do truly hate Russians.
Putin should take note.
Jescze Polska nie zgniela!

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP19 Mar 2017 3:38 p.m. PST

Thanks!


Amicalement
Armand

62bravo07 Apr 2017 8:48 a.m. PST

Pan Marek,

There are a LOT of books on this period besides Davies' book, which is dated. There are many texts, even in English, available now that offer other insights on the conflict. While it is true that Poland invaded Ukraine (technically not Russian territory; border skirmishes had occurred for over a year as the Poles pushed the Reds back), you forget that the peace loving Bolshevik forces on the Polish border quadrupled in early 1920. Pilsudski's objective was not the reestablishment of the 17th century commonwealth borders but a federation of states allied against Russia with Poland being the lead country (a flawed concept in the post WWI period).

Michael Medin (Studio Siberia) would argue that the Soviet equipment is incorrect; the film was not received well by Poles who actually understood the war. Father Scorupka's movie death is pure Warsallywood. Likely the same for prosperous Warsaw, as you suggested but, then again, that doesn't fit in with the story the director is trying to portray!

The variety of uniforms is excellent, as you noted. The period offers a wide variety of opportunities for gaming.

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