"Operational T-64B and T-64BV numbers 1985" Topic
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capnvic | 12 Mar 2017 8:15 p.m. PST |
I seem to have conflicting information of the number of T-64B vs. T-64BV in Germany. From the look of things there were roughly a few hundred T-64BVs in GSFG? Roughly 1 for every ten or twelve T-64s. Does anyone know the actual breakdown? |
Mako11 | 12 Mar 2017 8:55 p.m. PST |
That sounds about right, if even that, since according to Wiki it was first introduced in 1985: link It doesn't provide much more info in the article, other than that, nor does the manufacturer's link I clicked on at the bottom of the page. Perhaps some other references in the notes section might give you what you are after. |
Mako11 | 12 Mar 2017 9:15 p.m. PST |
No useful info here, but lots of great pics of the armor of some of the latest Russian/Soviet tanks: link Some armor we thought was ERA turns out just to be spaced metal armor instead, as you can see from some of the fascinating closeup photos. |
nikolas93ts | 13 Mar 2017 3:09 a.m. PST |
ERA tiles are not fitted with explosives in peacetime. That resulted in several instances of units being to Grozny without ERA due to improvised and chaotic nature of advance. |
MadMax17 | 13 Mar 2017 6:59 a.m. PST |
T-64Bs were first spotted by the USMLM in 1983; they reported/hypothesized that one company was going to replace a T-64A company in each T-64 battalion; which would allow T-64As to be cascaded down to other units. The first USMLM reports of seeing ERA studs on T-80Bs and T-64Bs was in 1985. But as Nioklas said, the actual blocks weren't installed in peacetime, so I imagine it was hard to get a good count of units that had the studs versus those that didn't. One of their reports said that 17 of 28 regiments in the southern armies (8GCAA and 1GTA) had received (at least some) T-80s, and 5 of them were confirmed to be ERA capable. It doesn't say whether it was every tank observed. So I would say you could probably do whatever you want regarding the T-64BVs. Though if it's 1985, I would probably err on the side of less BV's given the fact that this was the first year they were observed, but I don't think anybody would be able to say you're wrong either way. |
Vostok17 | 13 Mar 2017 7:54 a.m. PST |
T-64BV were adopted in January 1985. So, in 1985, there were very few of them in the GSVG. T-64B – 1 company for the T-64 battalion (from 1982 to 1985). By the end of 1985, for the most part, rearmament of the GSVG on the T-64 was completed (with the exception of the 1st Guards Tank Army and the 8th Guards Army, which were rearmed on the T-80). As for storage – yes, as a rule tanks are stored with ERA without explosives. In some cases, the blocks themselves can be removed (this is not so difficult). |
capnvic | 14 Mar 2017 1:00 p.m. PST |
The Steven Zaloga book confirms the same. There were approximately less than two hundred T64BV's in Germany. Most of them were committed to the Guards Tank units in and around Moscow. Mostly for show. This was also the first time The T-64B started to make its appearance at the Moscow Parades. |
Mako11 | 14 Mar 2017 3:48 p.m. PST |
Excellent info. Thanks for sharing. |
capnvic | 14 Mar 2017 5:02 p.m. PST |
Thanks all for your input… |
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