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goragrad12 Mar 2017 4:59 a.m. PST

So, I actually have a good idea as to what some of these figures are, but would like to know who made them -


On the left are Chariot/Magister Militum Tibetan Cataphracts and horses flanking what I am pretty sure are Tibetan Cataphracts and horse the question I have is who is/was the manufacturer?

On the right at the bottom are what I am pretty sure are a pair of Mongols and a pair of Huns that look to be from the same manufacturer.

Above them on the right edge are what might be Alans? Again from the same manufacturer.

To the left are what might be Saka?

Next -


Again these all appear to be from the same manufacturer as the Cataphracts. The four on the left have the same body armor, but the pair on the left have an Avar or Hunnic hairstyle while the pair in the center has a segmented helmet of Tibetan or Chinese appearance.

Similarly the the right hand pair has the same helmet as the center. Possibly Avar heavies on the left with Tibetan or Han in the center and on the right?


Center row left again appear to be of the same manufacturer possibly Pechenegs.

Top and bottom rows appear to be Tabletop. Not however carried by MY Miniatures, Isaurus, or Battleline. My presumptions are that the top pair are Scyths (possibly Parthian) and the bottom pair are Thracians.

Manufacturer unknown and I couldn't hazard a guess on who made the two archers. My guess is that they are Vikingss due to the slung round, quilted armor, and what appear to be braids at their temples.

Here is a closer look -


Once again, any assistance is greatly appreciated.

Personal logo Virtualscratchbuilder Supporting Member of TMP Fezian12 Mar 2017 6:13 a.m. PST

What scale?

Skeptic12 Mar 2017 7:16 a.m. PST

Alain Touller, perhaps?

goragrad12 Mar 2017 2:32 p.m. PST


Sorry, I automatically presumed that by calling out the Cariot/Magister Militum Cataphracts that viewers would know. Too much time spent on 15mm.

Joe Legan Supporting Member of TMP12 Mar 2017 5:11 p.m. PST

That's okay. Most 28mm folks make the same assumption. I hate clicking on news stories here only to find the figures/ buildings are 28mm.


Sobieski Inactive Member12 Mar 2017 5:47 p.m. PST

Joe – you are not alone in this feeling, says a 10mm specialist.

Joe Legan Supporting Member of TMP13 Mar 2017 2:03 p.m. PST

I know! WI is the same way. They will have an article and then say, " There are plenty of figures for this period to choose from." Then list several 28mm manufactures. No mention of any other scale. I thought only americans suffered from only seeing the world from their own vantage point!
Sorry, I can't help ID your figures.


goragrad13 Mar 2017 9:22 p.m. PST

Que sera…

Several years ago someone was looking for an ID on that figure I believe is a Tabletop Thracian and he struck out as well.

Another reason to lament the untimely passing of Aecurtis.

Rather interesting that there are so many lines of miniatures that don't spark recognition from one of the TMPers. Of course, some of these i got on ebay or from TMPers who weren't sure/didn't know what they were selling or trading wither.

The recent listing on TMP for Teutonics and Indians didn't actually contain any ancient (or modern) Indians a few Saka allied horse archers, but not one Indian miniature. Fortunately, from the picture I knew what I was getting.

P.S. It is puzzling that those Tibetan Cataphracts are drawing a blank – they are nice figures from what I would guess is the same reference as the Chariot/Magister cataphracts, but differ in minor details in the sculpting.

Dans Fantasyland14 Mar 2017 12:05 a.m. PST

Okay,first photo ,center left, the cataphract might be from Hall of Ancient Warriors( link They have 2 different figures ,TIB1 which has the lance cast on the figure, and TIB4 which comes with separate "pin" lance but has a shield cast on the right arm.Your figure certainly looks the same just missing those details.
Second photo ,the second and third figures are definitely HAW ,codes TIB2 and TIB3.

zardoz1957 Supporting Member of TMP14 Mar 2017 9:29 p.m. PST

You're correct about the Tabletop Games figs. Top are Skythian horse archers and bottom are Thracians. I added shield to the Thracians. Still have a bunch of those guys painted and tucked away.

goragrad15 Mar 2017 11:18 p.m. PST

Thanks much fellows.

HAW doesn't have a lot of pictures up, so would not have IDed them otherwise. Looking at the website product lists that makes it very likely that the left had figure is an Avar Nobleman – everybody does Avars with topknots. Had the picture of the horses that came with those other figures in one of my previous posts, but they also were near matches with the Chariot/Magister horses that come with their Tibetan horse archers and cavalry.

Pity none of the companies doing partials of the Tabletop ranges do those figures. The bases are a giveaway as to their original manufacturer – I have yet to see another with quite those textured tops. Sadly the original Tabletop had figure codes on the bottoms – made it a lot easdier to ID.

bobm195916 Mar 2017 5:47 a.m. PST

The Scythians are part of TTG's Indian range, IN8. ERM have them. No sign of Thracians though.

Lewisgunner16 Mar 2017 3:03 p.m. PST

The archers are Donnington old range Vikings
Might yourcataphracts be Naismith?

goragrad16 Mar 2017 3:13 p.m. PST

If the figure on the right is the ERM Skythian (it matches the picture for the INC-04 Skythian at Battleline), it looks like a different sculpt.



Not sure what else it could be though.

The archers have a bit of old Donnington feel, very likely.

I have a Naismith Korean cataphract and which is a slighter figure. More in keepig size wise with the Chariot. If the other to figures mentioned are HAW, I think the cats are too.

madaxeman16 Mar 2017 3:15 p.m. PST

I think I've got some of these cataphract figures too the ones I got were from a chap in the UK who had picked up the moulds from someone else, but wasn't really selling them or making them commercially.

Here's one of them that's in the middle of a rebasing project as we speak;

At a guess, the other mounted figures with unknown provenance were from the same range?

I can try and ask the chap if he did anything with the moulds.

goragrad16 Mar 2017 3:32 p.m. PST

Definitely the same feel madaxeman. I need to get some paint on mine to pick out the detail.

Based on the similar feel, I am wondering of the Parthians I put up for ID a few weeks ago are from the same manufacturer.


Left hand side of the photo below the Mike's rude Cossacks Parthian lights with swords, Parthian horse archer, then Cataphracts with horse and camel (camels look like a different range)

P.S. Based on a description I ran across recently of Siamese archers wearing long skirts and bolo style jackets, I am ting the 2 archers on the right may well be Siamese.

madaxeman17 Mar 2017 1:09 p.m. PST

I'm reliably informed that the Cataphract I posted is from a range by Kontos Miniatures, now defunct.

The guy I know has the moulds, but doesn't use / produce them.

goragrad17 Mar 2017 9:10 p.m. PST

I got mine in a batch of minis from a fellow TMPer that included a lot of old minis. Not unlikely that they could have come from a defunct manufacturer.

Pity if these are from those molds – decent minis.

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