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Kevin C11 Mar 2017 9:04 a.m. PST

A previous post concerning the varying quality of Osprey's rules has prompted me to ask the question how good is the quality of "Honours of War"? I am considering buying this set of rules and would very muck appreciate your input. I know that there are reviews online, but I prefer to ask those of you who have used them. I follow many of your posts on this site and have found your comments very helpful in the past.

Thank you,
Kevin

GildasFacit Sponsoring Member of TMP11 Mar 2017 9:27 a.m. PST

The opinions in our group are very mixed.

All of us admit that the rules have shortcomings but some feel that (a) these are acceptable for a quick play ruleset and/or (b) they are quite easy to work around with a few modifications/house rules.

Personally I think that the command/activation rules are broken and need a complete replacement for the rules to work at all. I could put up with most of the other simplifications but not that part.

The rules are well supported and have a helpful and thoughtful community on-line.

If the CC rules don't foul up a game (and that is fairly rare from my experience) the result is not dissimilar to a SYW battle in 'feel'. That is a 'plus' even a critic like me can't deny, not all 'quick-play' rules achieve that.

emckinney11 Mar 2017 9:42 a.m. PST

How about just completeness, organization, ability to find charts/QRS, etc.?

Oh Bugger11 Mar 2017 10:01 a.m. PST

They are fine for completeness, give a good game, imo right feel for the period and all the info' is there. Also they are very affordable.

I play Piquet, but I bought a copy of Honours of War and find it gives a good quality SYW pick up game.

Hope that helps.

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP11 Mar 2017 1:00 p.m. PST

Our group tried them a number of times. We gave them a solid "okay." Agree the activation rules are broken and in need of a complete rewrite. When they go wrong they can seriously wreck the game. You feel cheated not by tactics but by the system.

They are very slow in multi player unless you seriously tweak activations (it's a one unit at a time kind of game).

We also found a fair number of issues we had to query about, but I guess that's the norm these days anyway with the "they're a tool kit change what you like" approach Osprey seems to embrace.

Tony S11 Mar 2017 3:15 p.m. PST

I really like them. As others have mentioned, for me they have that SYW feel.

I completely disagree with the activation system criticisms above. Yes, sometimes your command will not act as you would like them to do so. That happens in battles.

Now, personally, I do not like games that allow players to control their troops with chess like precision and perfection. A CinC must deal with the slings and arrows of misfortune, to coin a phrase. To me, that's part of the fun of playing miniatures wargames.

The activation system is also somewhat under your control. Your CinC modifies the command roll by one, so if a particular wing is critical, then make sure your commanding General is keeping a close eye on that command.

Our group deploy our commands firstly, and then rolls for the subcommander's qualities. And sometimes, yes, a blithering idiot (no doubt the King's cousin) has been given command of your battle plan's schwerpunkt. All part of the fun. Deal with it. Rethink your plan. Make the hammer into the anvil. Perhaps you're fielding the Reichsarmee, in which case embrace the mediocrity! Now and again, a poor commander decides to withdraw, or a sometimes a rash genius sees a fleeting opening and gets a double move.

That said, I respect others' opinions. To me, the command system is a much saner and toned down version of Black's Powder's command and control. BP is too fast moving and wild for my sense of the linear period of warfare. But others quite enjoy BP for the SYW.

We did find however, that light troops seem much too powerful and effective, so we tend to downgrade them in quality and make them smaller units.

Just for the record, our preferred ruleset for the SYW is "Maurice", but we find "Honours of War" a nice light weight charming alternative. The nice thing about the Osprey rules is that they are quite cheap, so well worth buying and trying them out.

Tony S11 Mar 2017 4:28 p.m. PST

Oh, forgot to add that the Canadian Amazon site has a very nice initial review that covers the mechanisms very thoroughly. (And yes, the second review is mine, so feel free to hurl sock puppet accusations at me!)

link

skinkmasterreturns12 Mar 2017 5:45 a.m. PST

Wow,Tony,you make me want to buy the ruleset even though I'm not even doing SYW at the moment.

Royal Marine17 Mar 2017 9:37 a.m. PST

Honours of War …. VERY GOOD, VERY COMPLETE, VERY MUCH WORTH IT … EVIDENCE = link

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