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fabambina10 Mar 2017 5:46 p.m. PST

Looking for some advice, thanks in advance for your help.

I'm looking to start renaissance gaming, with a focus on the 30 Year's War, but the Italian Wars also, and generally the period of 1400-1700. I would like a rules set that allows games from medium to large size armies.

I've heard about the limitations to the Warlord game Pike & Shotte and it's expansions. I also know DBR gets good reviews, but no one plays it anymore.

So, what is appropriate and popular nowadays?

Personal logo Stosstruppen Supporting Member of TMP10 Mar 2017 6:34 p.m. PST

Baroque would work.

Pictors Studio10 Mar 2017 9:15 p.m. PST

Warmaster is probably your best bet, especially for the Italian Wars. It is a fantasy ruleset but works really well for ren historical games. I don't know what scale you are doing, Warmaster works best at the smaller scales as it really allows you to put a massive looking army on the table.

It was free online for a while but GW has taken it down since.

Phillius Sponsoring Member of TMP10 Mar 2017 10:45 p.m. PST

From my experience, I think Pike and Shotte is probably a good starting point.
I've played the period for a long time. There isn't a complete answer I'm afraid. But I would give P&S a go.

I am about to start Baroque, as I think that has a number of improvements over Impetus, and should work well.

Sobieski11 Mar 2017 12:16 a.m. PST

DBR – best set of fantasy rules around.

Olivero11 Mar 2017 1:03 a.m. PST

Less different rule sets than say in ancients. Currently Pike and Shotte, Baroque and Field of Glory Renaissance shoud cover most of what is being played. Happy to read otherwise.

Zargon11 Mar 2017 2:52 a.m. PST

Piquet and its subsets of rules? Especially if you doing this as a solo project.

David Taylor11 Mar 2017 3:36 a.m. PST

We play Field of Glory Renaissance and find it works well for battles from the Italian Wars right through to the end of the 17th century.

KTravlos11 Mar 2017 4:51 a.m. PST

Specifically for the 30 years war I would suggest The Warre Game 1632 by Steve Jones.

YogiBearMinis Supporting Member of TMP11 Mar 2017 6:51 a.m. PST

Anchor of Faith by Piquet is a very good set for the 17th century. The Band of Brothers supplement (1400-1600) covers the Italian Wars.

You can use WRG basing, or more the Black Powder/P&S style basing conventions, as long as you put together 4-stand units.

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP11 Mar 2017 9:25 a.m. PST

I like the DBA-RRR variant, big battle with 24 stands or more for thus period.

Jcfrog Supporting Member of TMP11 Mar 2017 10:36 a.m. PST

By all means.

mad monkey 111 Mar 2017 3:19 p.m. PST

Liber Militum: Tercios

Wargamorium11 Mar 2017 4:01 p.m. PST

I agree with Mad Monkey 1 above.

We have been using the shorter free pdf version and have got some good games.


Rick181312 Mar 2017 12:55 a.m. PST

Tercios does look interesting. I don't see an English version in the drop box and won't be signing up to Scribd. I like the order mechanics. Simple and effective. Looks like a game will have lots of back and forth with no long wait times.

Wargamorium12 Mar 2017 3:14 a.m. PST

When I click on the link supplied by mad monkey 1 I see everything in English. There is a link to the free ruleset and when I click on that the document is in English as well. Have you scrolled down the document. The title is in Spanish but that is all.

Rick181313 Mar 2017 12:01 a.m. PST

If I wanted it badly enough I'd just sign up to scribd and download it, but I'm pretty anti hassle these days. I scrolled through it a bit, hit "download" for later reading and found out I needed to go through an account creation process and closed the tab instead.

It's no big deal, but the file could have just as easily been stuck in the dropbox link and then people can just download it without having to fill out forms with a touch screen on a tablet. Maybe when I'm near a keyboard I'll make a scribd account, but I probably won't remember.

Certainly looks like it has potential and I can see why mad monkey 1 recommended it.

mad monkey 113 Mar 2017 6:36 a.m. PST

They just added the expansion "Kingdoms" in English. Tercios covers the TYW for the most part, while Kingdoms covers the ECW, and Eastern Renaissance forces.

mad monkey 113 Mar 2017 6:38 a.m. PST

The scribed link for those who'd like a looky:

Wargamorium13 Mar 2017 2:50 p.m. PST

If you look on the Wargamorium Blog


you will see a direct link to the free version of the rules.

If you like them my gmail address is on the blog and you can contact me and I will send you a copy of the playsheet I made which is, I think, better than the one provided.

Rick181313 Mar 2017 6:08 p.m. PST

Awesome. Finally remembered to go get the rules when I got to a computer with a keyboard and here they are as a direct link. Thanks!

Enjoyed the 2 part report on your blog as well.

Wargamorium14 Mar 2017 1:48 p.m. PST

Thanks Nathaniel

fabambina22 Mar 2017 5:24 p.m. PST

is 28mm at all reasonable, or is 15mm or less preferable?

Wargamorium23 Mar 2017 3:57 p.m. PST

The rules provide for bases and there is no casualty removal. They set out base sizes for 28mm as well. I see no reason why they could not be used for 28mm. Go for it.

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