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Larry R09 Mar 2017 11:26 a.m. PST

Strongly thinking about starting this period and using these rules. From what I have read on here its a fantastic set of rules. So if I do I may want to do it in 15mm. Have others done it in 15mm? If so what basing are you using. Thanks.

Mick the Metalsmith09 Mar 2017 11:49 a.m. PST

It won't really matter. Just scale down ranges and move rates appropriately, or even leave it the same.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP09 Mar 2017 11:58 a.m. PST

People play the rules in all figure sizes and scales. Most recommend leaving the ranges the same. You can mount individually (however you feel like it), or use multi figure stands and mark casualties, or use multi figure stands and count each stand as a single 'figure.'

As far as the rules go, some people love 'em, and some people hate 'em. You will just have to make up your own mind.

Ragbones Supporting Member of TMP09 Mar 2017 12:53 p.m. PST

I've played TSATF in 15mm for decades. My figures are based individually on blank card stock wargame counters (like those in Avalon Hill and SPI board games). I've seen others based on old coins and washers.

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP09 Mar 2017 1:17 p.m. PST

When TSATF was first demo'd at a con (I think Atlanticon,
Wagner College, 1978 or 1979) the Jackson (Mississippi)
Gamers and Larry B. hisownself demo'd the rules in 25mm.

And if any of you Jackson guys are reading this, do
you recall Eric's 'We play these games for keeps, lady!'
followed by a hurried exit by the onlookers to whom
his comment was addressed…

At Larry's suggestion, our group (which had playtested
also) demo'd TSATF in 15mm. We used individual basing
and kept movement and range distances the same as for
25mm.

Personal logo piper909 Supporting Member of TMP09 Mar 2017 1:35 p.m. PST

The first games I played of TS&TF, back in 1980, were with a friend's 15mm figures. Individually based (pennies?). Leave the ranges as the rules give them, it works out fine, and in this scale you actually have much more table space for maneuvering and it feels less crowded -- a good thing for these games, despite my preference for 25mm figures in general. You'll have a blast!

Tom Reed Supporting Member of TMP09 Mar 2017 1:46 p.m. PST

Our local group played 15mm TSATF for years. Great fun.

Nathaniel09 Mar 2017 2:08 p.m. PST

I've only ever played or seen it played in 15mm. Not sure anything was changed rules wise that I can recall.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP09 Mar 2017 2:14 p.m. PST

I would run 15mm figures but use the ranges as is. It will appear to have more "realistic" weapon ranges.

Larry R09 Mar 2017 4:53 p.m. PST

Great news. Thanks all. I'm looking to get the rules at Cold Wars or online and use Blue Moon figures.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP09 Mar 2017 5:49 p.m. PST

Don't plan on getting the Rules at Cold Wars. I would order them direct on line if I were you.
But by all means, get figures at Cold Wars.

Mister Tibbles09 Mar 2017 5:54 p.m. PST

Curious who makes the figs you iintend to use? I've been eying Blue Moon Northwest Frontier for just such a game.

Larry R09 Mar 2017 6:03 p.m. PST

Winston you are probably right but I can wait a week. I just wosh someone was running a TSATF game. MT, Blue Moon has a line for Mahdist wars.

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP09 Mar 2017 6:56 p.m. PST

AS one of the Jackson Gamers, we almost always do TSATF in 25mm size. But we have done two Boer War games in 15mm using the standard 25mm movement and ranges. They made for interesting games. link and link

As others have suggested you can either mount the figures individually as ours are or you can do them in groups.

I saw a massive Zulu game (done in 25mm) at an early Bayou Wars that was run by Larry Brom and George Carr, Sr. The British and native auxiliaries were mounted individually but the Zulus were based in groups of five. It looked very impressive. played on two large tables with kitty litter terrain.

Jim

P.S. Sounds like Winston and you need to get together for a game. I know its slightly over two hours drive between the two of you but I think it merits consideration.

Swab Jockey09 Mar 2017 8:01 p.m. PST

Ed, my comment was made at Widener. We used kitty litter to make the terrain on our "Shroud of Jackson" linen table cover. To clean the table we simply rolled the kitty litter up in the shroud. It looked like a body, which caused a comment of "Is that a dead body?"

Personal logo Wolfshanza Supporting Member of TMP09 Mar 2017 11:46 p.m. PST

Used to do a lot of tSatF in 15s. Worked fine and allowed bigger forces. The figs are still around…somewhere in the dungeon ? <lol>

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP10 Mar 2017 6:47 a.m. PST

Swab Jockey, you're right, it *was* Widener, not Wagner.

Kitty litter terrain was responsible (OK, *I* was
responsible) for an 'almost' evacuation of a venue
in Cherry Hill, NJ. We were running TSATF and I was
building a litter terrain. Since KL is very dusty, I'd
put a big box fan in an open window to help dispel the
dust.

A citizen saw the cloud of what looked to him like smoke
and called the fire department…

Galloping senility on my part, I guess !

Personal logo Flashman14 Supporting Member of TMP11 Mar 2017 10:43 a.m. PST

From the beginning I've ONLY done it in 15mm.

Larry R11 Mar 2017 7:47 p.m. PST

All singke bases Flashman?

Mad Guru Supporting Member of TMP13 Mar 2017 1:34 p.m. PST

Not adding anything new to this thread, but I too began playing TSATF way, way back in 1980-1979 using Mike's Models 15mm figures all individually based on 1/2" square bass or balsa wood, then later on commercially produced wargame bases… that I think I cut down to smaller size with a pair of snips. Though the armies and terrain didn't look as good as mine do now, In a way those were the good old days, since I played way more games!

oldjarhead113 Mar 2017 5:26 p.m. PST

I have only played in 15mm with single bases.

Larry R14 Mar 2017 8:21 a.m. PST

I tend to over analyze everything. I've basically worked out 5,000 different basing concepts and I just need to decide on one since I am buy my miniatures this weekend, and bases too. I want to use some sort of movement tray that will carry all the individually based figures. Various sizes for the natives and all square for the regular infantry and cavalry.

Smokey Roan11 Apr 2017 4:19 p.m. PST

Larry use no. 10 washers (or mo. 8, whichever is bigger)

Movement trays? Magnetic Lawyer fridge advertisements, glued onto Home Depot Linoleum sample sheets (3x5, and free).

You can even spray a light coat of Earth tone on the magnetic sheet.

Boom!

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