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creativeguy07 Mar 2017 6:45 a.m. PST

Recently I prchased some of the Team Yankee Chieftains. On the first one I just painted it up from the stock kit. I have started two more, one I have added the tank commander and on both I have added tarps/covers on the stowage bins using foil and paper. I am trying to talk myself into adding camo netting but I am not sure what direction to go with this, I have seen quite a few suggestions.

All this leads me to a realization that I lack some knowledge in some areas. I know the tank colors (I'm using Vallejo paints), but after looking at a number of photos and game images I can't quite figure out what color(s) to paint the bin covers. I've seen mostly drab colors, some light, some dark, and even some blues and in one image a red cover. Does anyone have guidance on this issue?

I have spent time researching infantry uniforms but really know nothing about the tank commander uniform. I have placed a commander wearing a beret in the command tank. Can anyone share their paint choices for the commander?

Also, any input into camo netting would be helpful as well.

gunnerphil07 Mar 2017 8:33 a.m. PST

Tank commander's uniform depends on regiment. If doing one of the RTR regiments then black coveralls with black beret. If doing cavalry regiment then OG coveralls with regimental beret. I suggest getting hold of the Osprey book on British Army of the 80s as it lists all the different beret colours.

For can nets I used gauze dipped in dark green paint mixed with PVA and little water. Squeeze out put in place and leave to dry. Don't forget to wrap around the barrel.

Andy Rix07 Mar 2017 11:18 a.m. PST

Try this:

Cheiftain Stowage

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Stowing British Cold war vehicles

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creativeguy07 Mar 2017 7:11 p.m. PST

Hey Andy,

Is this your site? I spend a lot of time on this site, a ton of great information.

Andy Rix07 Mar 2017 8:59 p.m. PST

It is, trying to make stuff easy to find is a bit of a challenge. The blue green covers are KIP sheets which were plastic sheets that were used in the construction of overhead cover for trenches. the darker yellow green were Ponchos which were shelters and rain wear. Canvas Tarpaulins might also have been used and they would be bleached if old and stronger colours if new, a dark Khaki or grey green would do there.

On the Uniform front as the man said – black coveralls and beret for RTR, Olive Green for every one else, these could fade a lot as they tended to get washed and Ironed excessively.

Combat jackets, Camo Parkas and Barbour Jackets could also be worn over the coveralls. The officer corps and the cavalry in particular were not known for sticking to the rules on what went with what so you might find everything from tee shirts to shirts and jumpers to shirts and ties (light Khaki) being worn under neath the coveralls depending on the time of year and weather. There were fairly strict rules on the use of helmets on armoured vehicles and these tended to be adhered to more strictly the later it got into the period.

creativeguy08 Mar 2017 5:52 a.m. PST

Andy, thanks for the information. Your site was the biggest influence in me getting back into the Cold War Gone Hot. I was a teen in the early 80s and my friends and I spent a lot on wargames at the time that were devoted to the subject.

Another question for you, I know you play the Rapid Fire Able Archer variant. What do you like about the rules compared to other rules? One thing I like is that you don't have to build a lot to represent mechanized infantry companies. At the same time I am curious if they seem a bit underrepresented when compared to other combat units. I own a copy of Rapid Fire but have never played it. I am really considering giving it a try since it will take me a while to build up forces (I'm a man on a buget with my kids playing soccer)… So I like the idea of not having to spend a lot on APCs right now.

nickinsomerset08 Mar 2017 11:07 p.m. PST

Cans of OMD-80 on the rear corners, careful of cam net on the turret blocking the gunner's sight and optics. In addition to Andy's stuff, google Chieftain BAOR, BAOR ex etc for plenty of phots, note except for Berlin now 2 vehicles are painted in the same pattern! Also note stowage boxes were often found forwards of the splash plate.

Bone domes, early gave way to the clansman fitted crew helmet, although berets were still often worn. Barbour even brought out a DPM variant!

Tally Ho!

creativeguy09 Mar 2017 5:54 a.m. PST

I decided to rip out the commander with the beret and put in one with a helmet based on the discussion. I guess I now need to run out and get some gauze and start netting the vehicles.

Andy Rix04 Apr 2017 10:06 p.m. PST

you do need to be a bit creative with the infantry, ensuring support weapons are properly represented and fire controllers will increase the representation without going mad. for Soviets I'll use additional "un-crewed" BMPs to represent CRPs and flank protection elements.

the approach for UK forces is discussed at the backend of this post

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whilst the organisational approach is rapid fires I have tried it with other rule sets designed for 1:1 representation, primarily Force on Force and it seemed to work fine

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP20 Dec 2019 11:27 a.m. PST

Those looks good…!

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