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Personal logo rampantlion Supporting Member of TMP06 Mar 2017 12:14 p.m. PST

Looking for suggestions for a mounted version of Angus Og McDonald for a 1314 Scottish army that I am putting together in 28mm. He may very well look just like any other knight of the period, but I want him to look a little different from my traditional knights. Any suggestions?

Thanks

uglyfatbloke06 Mar 2017 12:28 p.m. PST

Really he'd look like any other (wealthy) knight. For men of his status money was no object and the key word is 'status'; he's out to show that he's just as much up-to-date as anybody.
A couple of things to bear in mind…there's nothing very solid to suggest that Angus or Isles/Highland people in general were active in the 1314 campaign. More likely they were deployed in the west to obstruct any reinforcements from Ireland , which were called upon by Edward II but no sign that they actually turned up at all.
Also…there's nothing to indicate that 14thC highland troops were in any way different from troops from the rest of Scotland or, for that matter, England or France or the Low Countries or anywhere else for that matter.
OTH acquiring a couple of Birlinns (galleys) might be a good option depending on where your games are to be set. Worth looking at charters for military obligations. As it happens I've got a copy of the relevant register volume if you're interested. Mail me … thathistorybloke @outlook.com
I've got several other books that might be useful to you including the relevant volume of Bower.

Personal logo rampantlion Supporting Member of TMP06 Mar 2017 1:27 p.m. PST

Thanks Chris.

Sir Walter Rlyeh06 Mar 2017 1:58 p.m. PST

Red eagle, black ship, yellow background? That'd pretty distinctive. Just with the eagle, no one will think he is English.

Personal logo piper909 Supporting Member of TMP06 Mar 2017 4:42 p.m. PST

Would the Islemen wear a more distinctive Norse-Irish garb, perhaps heavy on the saffron dye and among the nobility, gallowglass-style mail coats?

BYW, I'd love to buy some West Highland birlinns myself, if anyone can direct me to a source in 25mm!!

Druzhina06 Mar 2017 9:25 p.m. PST
uglyfatbloke07 Mar 2017 6:43 a.m. PST

Piper, there's a guy sells nicely-painted 28mm Viking longships on Ebay, you'd just have to remove the dragon head, but I expect the guy would do that for you; they are a pretty good price IMO. The short answer to the dress question is 'No'. The long answer is 'as far as we know, no'.
The effigies at Iona etc are more about lengthy traditions of artistic style than strict depiction; I have a paper on this somewhere (from FSA proceedings I think). If I can find it I'll post a reference.

Sir Walter Rlyeh07 Mar 2017 8:58 a.m. PST

Aren't you putting Angus on a command stand? If so a correct heraldry knight surrounded by rougher looking islemen retainers and one holding a banner would look pretty good.

uglyfatbloke07 Mar 2017 10:47 a.m. PST

But one where he's surrounded by men-at-arms would look be much better. The men of his immediate following – his comitiva – would be men of considerable substance. The vision of Islesmen being kind of 'late Vikings' is firmly rooted in historical novels. if you want a medieval fantasy army (and why not?) go ahead and have one. If you want a historical army, go with the history.

Personal logo rampantlion Supporting Member of TMP07 Mar 2017 12:36 p.m. PST

I will put something on him or his stand that gives him a unique look distinct to "The Lord of the Isles"…not sure what yet. I may find a cool fantasy figure that I can work some green stuff on. That's kind of why I was asking, I thought someone might know of a cool figure that I have not seen. As for the historical accuracy, I still have my Scots looking a little "rougher" than my English for this time period. I do have several veteran units that look similarly equipped to their foes, but I just have to throw a few "scruffies" out there…history be damned I guess!!

uglyfatbloke07 Mar 2017 2:51 p.m. PST

and quite right…they're your toys!

Personal logo rampantlion Supporting Member of TMP08 Mar 2017 9:07 a.m. PST

Chris, how is Spain? I was in Portugal over the holidays and loved it! Are you getting any castle visits in?

uglyfatbloke09 Mar 2017 2:31 a.m. PST

We're still here! We have to wait until we can sell our house and then we'll be off like a shot except plans have changed and we intend to move to Arnhem …probably not a surprise really. We've been there so often, we love it, it's convenient for coming back to see grandchildren. Winter's are cold, but short …and not that cold compared to 60 degrees north!
Drop me an email and I'll see if I've got any other stuff I an send you….just let me know what you've had already.

janner10 Mar 2017 2:47 p.m. PST

Great thing about Arnhem is that is never snows in September – okay, I'll get my coat wink

uglyfatbloke10 Mar 2017 4:02 p.m. PST

It's Arnhem….get your Dennison smock.

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