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Larry R Supporting Member of TMP05 Mar 2017 3:06 p.m. PST

I'm going to revamp my terrain board and probably go with a mat. I'm also thinking of redoing my hedgerows. I made these on the quick about a year or so ago to get me going. I'm thinking they are too big. These are for 28mm by the way, thoughts?

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firebase201205 Mar 2017 3:14 p.m. PST

Was watching a history programme today about the allies breakout from Normandy 1944 the hedgerows were very high and thick. Looking at your terrain it looks great and authentic to me ,great job.

MajorB05 Mar 2017 3:21 p.m. PST

If you are representing the bocage then they are not big enough. If they are meant to represent normal hedges then they are too big.

God wills it05 Mar 2017 3:22 p.m. PST

I think the scale of the hedge is good with the vehicle and figure but does not suit the scale of the tabletop, same as most buildings are underscale for aesthetic purposes.

Personally I would make them slightly smaller.

There is footage of a sherman virtually bouncing off a normandy hedgerow.

mwindsorfw Supporting Member of TMP05 Mar 2017 3:34 p.m. PST

I think they are fine. They are clearly a barrier that is more than a normal hedge, and taller than the tank.

Personal logo herkybird Supporting Member of TMP05 Mar 2017 3:50 p.m. PST

I think they do a good job of Bocage, as there has to be a balance between look, and playability. The Bocage has, I believe, varying heights of hedge, so I think you can get away with any size you want!

NOLA Chris05 Mar 2017 3:55 p.m. PST

chicks dig guys with big hedgerows…!
:)

Mako11 Supporting Member of TMP05 Mar 2017 4:00 p.m. PST

Too big for hedgerows, but they look fine to me for bocage.

zoneofcontrol05 Mar 2017 4:25 p.m. PST

The height looks correct next to the tank. I have read and seen pictures of tankers standing on top of turrets and open turret hatch covers to see over top. They should probably be wider at the base but that is a bad trade off for the tabletop and gaming. As constructed, they look just fine. There could be more trees in them but then again, that interferes with the game. I see no need to change them, they look and seem like they will function just fine.

Larry R Supporting Member of TMP05 Mar 2017 4:48 p.m. PST

Thanks guys I appreciate the feedback. I may trim them a bit and spruce them up some. Thanks

Black Cavalier05 Mar 2017 4:55 p.m. PST

Does this Sherman make my hedgehogs look too big?

Mako11 Supporting Member of TMP05 Mar 2017 6:10 p.m. PST

Note, they wouldn't all be consistent, and there might be some areas where a tank can see over them.

Jagdpanzers are largely screwed though, due to their lower profiles, and the narrow width of the lanes, making it difficult to impossible in many areas for them to set up in ambush.

rmaker05 Mar 2017 7:46 p.m. PST

There is footage of a sherman virtually bouncing off a normandy hedgerow.

That would likely to be due to the embankment at the base.

Matsuru Sami Kaze05 Mar 2017 8:52 p.m. PST

Heard similar question: "Do these make my butt look big?"

Dwindling Gravitas06 Mar 2017 12:16 a.m. PST

Your hedgerows are beautiful!

RayHaskins Supporting Member of TMP06 Mar 2017 2:43 a.m. PST

They look fine,but if you forgive me,they need to look more greener for summer,and not so brown.

Tired Mammal06 Mar 2017 5:42 a.m. PST

Google Street View is your friend. Not that much will have changed in 70 years (if you exclude the obvious). Great for ideas of what country lanes and farm houses look like now and in the past and isn't in black and white.
Used if for Waterloo last year and currently I am looking at random parts of the Ukraine to get ideas on how to paint some buildings.
Just a shame that North Africa hasn't been covered (yet).

Larry R Supporting Member of TMP06 Mar 2017 6:27 a.m. PST

@RayHaskins yes I agree with you, they need to be greener.

Wackmole9 Supporting Member of TMP06 Mar 2017 8:52 a.m. PST

Awesome in my book

Personal logo wrgmr1 Supporting Member of TMP06 Mar 2017 10:59 a.m. PST

They look good to me!

RayHaskins Supporting Member of TMP06 Mar 2017 12:02 p.m. PST

I have been to Normandy several time, i live in the UK,i have seen true bocage,it is big,a real wall of green.

Personal logo McLaddie Supporting Member of TMP06 Mar 2017 1:14 p.m. PST

Compare them to actual pictures…

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RayHaskins Supporting Member of TMP06 Mar 2017 2:59 p.m. PST

Nice pics.

Larry R Supporting Member of TMP06 Mar 2017 4:05 p.m. PST

Yes great pics. Translating those to an 8x4 table is what gets me in trouble

Mark 106 Mar 2017 7:43 p.m. PST

I do not think they are too big.

As to your next effort:

Hard to tell from the pics, but do they have substantial berms at the base? This is one of the characteristics of the Normandie bocage. Not just the hedge, but several centuries of dirt and rock piled up at the base, on top of which the hedge has grown.

May just be the angle of your pics, but I do not get a quick visual impression of an imposing earthen berm.

As others have mentioned, they should probably be greener for a June/July in Normandy. But not a uniform green. Some variety is fine, but mostly variations on green.

You mention trimming them or sprucing them up a bit. I would suggest more sprucing or trimming on the roadway sides than on the fields sides. True today, true then, is that plants / trees / hedges growing along roadways tend to be quite flat-faced on the roadway side. Passing motor vehicles, wagons, and groups of (or even single) pedestrians and animals will break off any intruding twig before it can become a gets big and leafy branch.

But this only applies to the bushes / trees up to average height of the vehicles. Above that the branches can indeed grow thick and bushy. So one of the characteristics, again amplified by the impact of the earthen berm of the bocage, is the "tunnel" effect.

Drive down some rural or suburban street with trees on both sides, and this artifact is immediately visible. So I suggest any "trimming" or "sprucing" be guided by this.

Just a suggestion or two. Consider or disregard at your discretion.

-Mark
(aka: Mk 1)

Larry R Supporting Member of TMP07 Mar 2017 1:26 p.m. PST

Thanks Mark, very good suggestion I will take to heart. Appreciate the feedback. I'll post pictures when I complete them.

zoneofcontrol07 Mar 2017 1:45 p.m. PST

Lone Sentry has a neat site with lots of info. Here is a link to their article on Fighting in Normandy Hedgerows:

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LostPict Supporting Member of TMP07 Mar 2017 1:57 p.m. PST

Bocage pictures seem feature both tall hedges on top of raised fields resulting in a sunken road features. The idea I am working for my Normandy terrain, it to make raised which I place next tot he roads and then line the field edges with the hedgerows. That way you get the combined height of hedge plus field that towers of man and tank.

Larry R Supporting Member of TMP09 Mar 2017 3:48 a.m. PST

@zc. Thanks nice site. @lp I'd like to see your work.

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