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Arch Duke charles04 Mar 2017 1:50 p.m. PST

Hi
Later this year a group of us are doing a refight of Aspern Essling, I have the army list from the James Arnold book and the Nafziger list for the Battle.

Both list do not have the Guard Dragoon or the Chasseurs Cheval listed?.

I have a few other army list that show them as being present at the battle.

I have looked in all the books I have and on line trying to find out why the list I am using do's not include them?.

The thing I would like help with, is which list are right.

I was always under the impression that the all the Guard cavalry where always present with the Emperor

I have looked in all the books I have and on line trying to find out why the list I am using do's not include them and others do?.

Can anyone shed any light if all the Guard cavalry where there and if not where were they at the time of the battle.
Thank you
Darren

baxterj04 Mar 2017 2:11 p.m. PST

Still back over the other side of the Danube? It wqs tough getting everyone across those pontoon bridges.

Grignotage Supporting Member of TMP04 Mar 2017 3:18 p.m. PST

I imagine they got blocked from crossing by the pontoon bridges BaxterJ mentioned above. Elements of the Guard got across but some were blocked. Plus there was the chance that Napoleon didnt try to get them across, if there was no room to deploy them.

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse04 Mar 2017 5:55 p.m. PST

Napoleon wasn't always escorted by Guard cavalry, though that was the usual practice.

If the Guard wasn't present, as at the beginning of the 1809 campaign, either French or allied (Confederation of the Rhine) light cavalry were employed as the escort.

Napoleon preferred to have the Guard present, but if it wasn't possible, as in 1809 when most of it was still in Spain and had a long way to travel to get to Germany, other units were used.

Camcleod05 Mar 2017 8:50 a.m. PST

"The Anatomy Of Glory" has a bit of info on where the Guard Cavalry were at that time.
' the Grenadiers (foot) at Schonbrunn with Arrighi's 1500 horse, and 3160 horse Guards en route from Spain were approaching Vienna.
The Dragoons of the Guard had made the 2800 km. journey from Valladolid in 63 days .. On 22 May they marched past the high bluff on the Danube crowned by the Abbey of Melk, (about 60 km. from Vienna) .. Fiteau, Letort and their troops heard in the distance a dull, continuous roar – the guns of Essling.'

Bowden's "Armies On The Danube" lists Arrighi as having
7 1/2 Guard Service Sqns. with him. Ch a Ch (2), Gr a Ch (1), Emp. Dr (1), Polish Ch Leg (3), Gend d'Elite (1/2)

Cliff

Arch Duke charles08 Mar 2017 12:23 a.m. PST

Thank you for your help, been a bit confusing with one army list saying the guard cavalry where a present at the battle, and two other saying only a bit of the cavalry where their.
I know in the back of my mind they where still on there way to Austria, Once again Thank you for confirming this for me.
Darren

vtsaogames08 Mar 2017 12:50 p.m. PST

Alternative facts.

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse09 Mar 2017 6:36 a.m. PST

To what 'alternative facts' do you refer?

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