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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP28 Feb 2017 3:48 p.m. PST

…Northern Sinai

"ISIS jihadists continue targeting Christians in Egypt's volatile Northern Sinai region, resulting in brutal murders.

Two men who were abducted by the group have been found dead. Egyptian officials said one of the slain men had his eyes plucked out and was set on fire before being shot to death.

Christian families are fleeing the region in droves. At least 100 families left last Friday after ISIS released a video saying they "will kill every infidel" and that Christians are their "favorite" target…"
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Time the Pope travel there…


cloudcaptain28 Feb 2017 4:23 p.m. PST

It's terrible..but that's just how some people roll. Baha'is have it really bad in Iran:


Not sure what the Pope can do. He already said:

"Where there is an unjust aggression I can only say that it is legitimate to stop the unjust aggressor," he told reporters throwing questions at him on the plane as he returned from South Korea to the Vatican on Monday.

"I underscore the verb ‘to stop,'" he told them. "I am not saying ‘bomb' or ‘make war,' but ‘stop him.' The means by which he can be stopped must be evaluated. Stopping the aggressor is legitimate."

Him="Caliph" Ibrahim

Rod I Robertson Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member28 Feb 2017 5:43 p.m. PST

Miniature wargaming? Modern warfare? Why?

Egypt is a mess. Copts, Jews and Muslims alike are all suffering and dying.

Rod Robertson.

goragrad28 Feb 2017 9:40 p.m. PST

Time for something more than a Papal visit.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP01 Mar 2017 10:49 a.m. PST

With the Vatican Guard?… (smile)


PVT64101 Mar 2017 12:04 p.m. PST

I do not usually agree with you Rod, but this time I do. Not even a thin veneer for this one.

Gwydion01 Mar 2017 1:14 p.m. PST

Rod – THIS board is not about wargaming – look at the title.

There is a board for Ultramodern Gaming – its called the Ultramodern Gaming Board.
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As for warfare -you may not like the form this 'modern warfare' takes – but killing lots of people in the name (however badly rationalised and wrongly interpreted by those doing it)of holy war – looks a BIT like a modern war doesn't it?

Rod I Robertson Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member01 Mar 2017 4:26 p.m. PST


The description of the board is:

– For discussion of military events within the past 10 years, including ongoing operations.

The attacking of religious minorities by a non-military body such as ISIL (which is a terrorist organization and not a recognised military military force) does not meet the definition of a "military event". The isolation of this one brand violent religious intolerance when Egypt has at least three strains on-going right now. The timing (while Sinai is in a state of apprehended insurrection against the kangaroo justice of the El-Sisi Junta and its widespread use of capital punishment after breakneck-speed group-trials) leads me to question why this article was posted here when it was.

If this is a legitimate topic then so would be the "military operation" to round up and remove undocumented immigrants/illegal aliens from American soil as declared by the chief executive/commander in chief of the US forces. Such a pretext is just reaching. Neither that nor Egyptian ethnic/religious cleansing should be discussed here unless there is a clear military link. Aside from one sentence about ISIS putting up road-blocks near the Gaza frontier there is no military content here.

Rod Robertson.

SouthernPhantom01 Mar 2017 5:30 p.m. PST

Agreed. Discussing Egyptian military operations against ISIS in the Sinai (which we know are ongoing) is one thing. This is just discussion of atrocities without regard to military significance.

Gwydion03 Mar 2017 8:08 a.m. PST

So let me get this straight,
the Egyptian Army killing ISIS is of military significance.

ISIS murdering Egyptians- the reason for previous Egyptian ops in the area – is not?

Terrorism does not 'meet the definition of a military event'.

That is going to be news to a lot of British and US service personnel.

And Rod can't think of any possible military significance for Egypt and allies as ISIS becomes more active as they are being driven from Syria and Iraq.

Okay – just so as I know.

Rod I Robertson Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member03 Mar 2017 10:08 a.m. PST


So let me get this straight,
the Egyptian Army killing ISIS is of military significance.

ISIS murdering Egyptians- the reason for previous Egyptian ops in the area – is not?

Terrorism does not 'meet the definition of a military event'.

Given the rules of the TMP Ultramodern Warfare board – yes,

And Rod can't think of any possible military significance for Egypt and allies as ISIS becomes more active as they are being driven from Syria and Iraq.

I can think of many things which are either directly or tangentially significant to military matters but given the restrictions of the rules here on this board I still do not post them. If you do not like the rules as they stand then work to change them, or if you must, defy them but be prepared for the consequences which would likely follow. The exercise of free will is yours. Impunity from consequence for such exercise does not exist however.

Rod Robertson.

Gwydion03 Mar 2017 4:31 p.m. PST

So you think Tango broke the rules?

I didn't think anyone was defying the rules.

This board is specifically NOT about miniatures gaming.
And you quoted the military events bit – I can see this is about a military matter – I don't see this issue being resolved with the police.

It strikes me that it is you who want to change the rules.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with them as they stand but they would seem to include this type of material.

If I am wrong, I apologise, but as Tango hasn't been DH'd for this I would think that interpretation may be correct.

Rod I Robertson Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member03 Mar 2017 5:31 p.m. PST


Yes, I think Tango broke the rules but my opinion does not really matter as I cannot dog-house him myself and I refuse to hit the complaint button on other posters. I prefer to just note the perceived infraction publicly if it is too egregious for me, as a gentle reminder that in my opinion the OP went too far. No biggie.

I don't believe that anyone is defying the rules on this thread, not even Tango. A lack of clarity rather than defiance is a more likely culprit for this state of affairs. I don't want to see anyone dog-housed or censored. If we can all develop a better sense of what's appropriate and what is not on this thread and this board then perhaps we can police ourselves a little better and reduce the level of antagonistic "debate" which sometimes erupts here. The boundaries of what is acceptable and what is not are murky on this board, so guidance rather than punishment seems more productive. One poster's opinion is not canon (not even my own self-exalted opinions!) so I noted what I thought was an error and then moved on. Your opinion may vary and you have every right to express it too. I respectfully disagree with your stated position to date, that's all.

Rod Robertson.

Gwydion04 Mar 2017 9:57 a.m. PST

Fair enough.
I see far more outrageous deviations from 'military' subjects on this board than this thread which is why I commented.

I should imagine in an environment where one did not have to quite so careful about wording, we would be nearer than might be apparent from this exchange.
Best wishes

Personal logo Lost Wolf Supporting Member of TMP04 Mar 2017 10:00 a.m. PST

Talk about someone nudging in and stealing the topic…

zoneofcontrol04 Mar 2017 10:22 a.m. PST

par for the course

Gwydion04 Mar 2017 5:57 p.m. PST


Personal logo Weasel Supporting Member of TMP05 Mar 2017 10:43 a.m. PST

The purpose of this board seems to be to propagate political rhetoric, its just called something else to satisfy the "no politics on TMP" rule.

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