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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian10 Feb 2017 7:06 p.m. PST

Have you found the ruleset(s) for 18th Century gaming that make you happy? Or are you still looking for something "better"?

Generalstoner49 Supporting Member of TMP10 Feb 2017 7:12 p.m. PST

Always looking for something better. I love Age of Reason but sometimes it gets a little clunky while a simplistic rules set like Maurice I feel does not give me enough flavor.

I am hard to please I know.

Dave Gamer10 Feb 2017 7:21 p.m. PST

IMHO, no one's ever completely satisfied with ANY ruleset for any period, and are always on the lookout for something better. I read a lot of blogs where the authors write their own rules, and they're ALWAYS tweaking the rules after every game…

Rich Bliss Supporting Member of TMP10 Feb 2017 8:21 p.m. PST

Very happy with Volley and Bayonet. I use it for both SYW and AWI.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP10 Feb 2017 8:23 p.m. PST

Age of Reason and TSATF.
Yup. I'm happy.

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP10 Feb 2017 9:00 p.m. PST

Beneath the lily Banners is great for the earliest years. I haven't found one for the latter eras that satisfies.

brucka10 Feb 2017 9:18 p.m. PST

Might and Reason rocks! Volley and Bayonet have great scenario books. Soldier Kings is a good campaign tool for Might and Reason.

RudyNelson10 Feb 2017 9:42 p.m. PST

We used Fire and Discipline which at a 1:15 scale was perfect for the small American wars. For the 1800-50 we used them at a 1:20 scale.

Rallynow Supporting Member of TMP10 Feb 2017 10:08 p.m. PST

NO

Personal logo Brigadier Supporting Member of TMP10 Feb 2017 10:18 p.m. PST

One Hour Wargames

Lascaris10 Feb 2017 10:27 p.m. PST

Really happy with Might & Reason. Don't really look for a replacement.

John Leahy10 Feb 2017 10:41 p.m. PST

Field of Battle is the grail for us!

Doug MSC Sponsoring Member of TMP10 Feb 2017 11:13 p.m. PST

Really happy with our home grown rules.

AussieAndy Supporting Member of TMP10 Feb 2017 11:24 p.m. PST

Happy with Might and Reason. Have had four battles in last few months. No reason to change.

thehawk10 Feb 2017 11:33 p.m. PST

I'm still hoping that the missing pages from TSR's Valley Forge rules 1976 get published one day. That would make me happy.

Yellow Admiral11 Feb 2017 12:03 a.m. PST

I'm happy with the rules I've settled on for the AWI, but pretty unhappy with the choices for any other 18th C. war. So…. is that a yes or a no?

- Ix

steamingdave4711 Feb 2017 2:20 a.m. PST

Currently very happy with playing late 17th/ early 18th with the revised version of Twilight of the SunKing. Perfect for any battle of 20000 plus per side, as it is " brigade" level. For smaller actions, I still love "Charge", but modified to play with multi- based figures.

langobard Supporting Member of TMP11 Feb 2017 2:54 a.m. PST

Have been happy with Koenig Krieg smaller SYW battles, and recently Age of Honor (from the Fire and Fury / Age of Eagles stable) has settled me on a rules set for larger battles.

So yep, very happy with the rules currently available.

Samurai Elb11 Feb 2017 3:25 a.m. PST

I am very satisfied with the rules´"Tin Soldiers in Action" from Rüdiger & Klaus Hofrichter. It is using square grids and you can play the big European 7Years – battles as well the smaller Awi battles using different scales besides other periods. A great advantage is that you can finish even great battles in some hours.

dayglowill11 Feb 2017 4:07 a.m. PST

If I ever get around to actually playing all the 18th Century rules I've accumulated I'll let you know! grin

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP11 Feb 2017 4:50 a.m. PST

Beneath the lilly banners for 1700-1721

Might and reason for big battles of the 18th century.

Not sure I've found one for battalion level games though

sebastien Supporting Member of TMP11 Feb 2017 6:47 a.m. PST

Very happy with Black Powder and the 18c supplement LAOK….and a few inhouse amendments!

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP11 Feb 2017 9:51 a.m. PST

Yes, happy with Batailles de l'Ancien Regime for medium size 28mm big battalion games; with Quick Tricorne for large size 15mm games; and with The Sword in the Forest for small to medium size 28mm skirmish games.

Jim

21eRegt11 Feb 2017 10:19 a.m. PST

Always in the market for the elusive "perfect rules." However Batailles de l'Ancien Regime gives us our old school fix with big battalions of 28s and Final Argument of Kings more than satisfies our desire for 40 battalions a side in 15mm.

mghFond11 Feb 2017 12:19 p.m. PST

Like Beneath the Lily Banners and also have my own homemade set.

Altefritz11 Feb 2017 2:16 p.m. PST

Volley and Bayonet. And for small and colorful actions Maurice.

daler240D Supporting Member of TMP11 Feb 2017 7:59 p.m. PST

I actually find the 18th Century to have the best rule sets. Might and Reason, Twilight of the Sun King and Maurice are all excellent. It's other eras that I find don't have it quite figured out.

Evzone12 Feb 2017 3:58 a.m. PST

I do the early period, so I've got BLB, Captain General, Asquith, as well as Age of Reason, and the Ospray book. I've ordered Twilight of the Sun King so looking forward to big battles using them.

I still think there s room for more, so looking forward to BLB v.3.

Also, just acquired the Pikemans Lament ( yes I know not strictly 18th C) but I fancy trying them out for my Williamite/Jacobite forces.

Sobieski12 Feb 2017 7:27 a.m. PST

I've written lots of my own rules, for everything from neolithic to 20th century. SYW is the set I'm happiest with.

oldnorthstate12 Feb 2017 7:08 p.m. PST

I have been using the Carnage and Glory computer moderated rules for both GNW and the SYW/AWI rules for over 10 years…I will be running three GNW 28mm games using the rules at Cold Wars.

Personal logo Ironwolf Supporting Member of TMP12 Feb 2017 11:28 p.m. PST

happy with American War of Independence.
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Martin H Wolverton13 Feb 2017 8:02 a.m. PST

Echoing what other have said, there is no perfect rules set and all games have scope for improvement.

That being said, my local club has recently been experimenting with Gå På for GNW and WSS. So far we've been quite pleased with them. They combine an elegant system in which most mechanics are based off a Troop Quality check with enough "crunch" and period flavor to make them interesting. I honestly don't get some of the comments I have seen online about it being "too fiddly" or having "too many charts".

I'm also still a fan of the old WRG 1685-1845 set. It does what it should and I use it for AWI with little problem. It was on our short list of rules sets to try for GNW before we got turned on to Gå På. Full disclosure: these were my first set of proper wargames rules back circa 1980 or so. So I freely admit that my positive opinion of the rules is colored by nostalgia.

Sylvain chicago18 Feb 2017 4:09 p.m. PST

Happy with "warfare in the age of reason" by Todd Kershner and Dale Wood.

dantheman Supporting Member of TMP18 Feb 2017 6:05 p.m. PST

No ruleset is perfect but I am tired of buying rules I don't use. I also have to deal with the players in my area who have their own tastes.

Right now I am happy with Might and Reason and Muskets and Tomahawks. Fun games and people near me are willing to play them.

VicCina Supporting Member of TMP19 Feb 2017 7:27 a.m. PST

For my AWI games I love using "Guns of Liberty" by Eric Burgess. I haven't found a set for WSS yet. Although I have about 5 or 6 I want to try out.

Early morning writer19 Feb 2017 3:59 p.m. PST

I hope to soon in the shape of the 'just' mentioned Guns of Liberty 3.0 expected out this year. And that's per Eric himself – not, expected, not promised. He, like most of us, has a real life besides gaming.

Probably create my own for FIW, maybe inspired by GOL. That coves me.

cturnitsa Supporting Member of TMP27 Mar 2017 12:16 p.m. PST

Beneath the Lily Banners for late 17th century, and KoenigKrieg for 7YW.

In between, I am really enjoying Lace Wars by Stephen Danes.

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Musketier Supporting Member of TMP12 Apr 2017 1:03 p.m. PST

Reasonably happy with several sets that have been mentioned, but still looking for one that will reflect period limitations, resulting in "proper" linear formations at army level: Far too many games look like Napoleonics with tricornes…

Ottoathome12 Apr 2017 10:15 p.m. PST

Very much sow. Wrote them myself. They work fine. Wrote the tactical Rules Oh God! Anything But a six! Wrote a Naval Supplement "Yo-Ho-Ho: Small Battles with large ships on the table top" also wrote a campaign system "Functionaries, Flunkies and Munchkins" a Siege system "Have I told you how the Viennese Bakers Saved Civilizaton" and a role playing Supplement for role playing in the very top of the scoeity in the 18th century (no combat) called "Persons of Condition."

Supercilius Maximus13 Apr 2017 1:18 a.m. PST

For my money, where 18thC rules fail most glaringly is when they try to cover – often with a casual appendix or some such – unusual theatres/periods (principally F&IW and AWI) which had atypical forces (eg no heavy artillery, little/no cavalry, exceptional terrain). Equally, above the skirmish/Sharp Practice level, F&IW/AWI rule sets will not do a good job replicating big battles in Europe or India either.

A C London13 Apr 2017 1:40 p.m. PST

The King of the Battlefield rules are superb – well worth searching out.

cae5ar17 Apr 2017 7:30 p.m. PST

Still enjoying Maurice a great deal, particularly now that we are running a Succession Wars campaign. I find it builds a colourful narrative that perfectly fits the era.

SteveM Inactive Member09 May 2017 2:47 a.m. PST

We keep skipping around, and any of those below are fine:
Maurice – best with just 2 players
Might and Reason
Field of Battle
King of the Battlefield – very good for large multi-player games.

Steve

Personal logo Cardinal Hawkwood Supporting Member of TMP15 May 2017 3:47 a.m. PST

yes , absolutely Might &reason.

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