"Brexit, do we need to be pessimistic for the hobby?" Topic

So, just to be clear, he (Boris Johnson) didn't actually call anyone a Nazi – thanks for the clarification.

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As I said – if the UK is the escaping POW in a WWII film then the people doing the beatings are the Nazis. That is unarguable.

I know that.

Boris knows that.

A lot of people in the EU knew exactly what he was saying.

but it is going to happen so deal with it

In fact a lot of this nonsense IS arguable and what you state is no more than your opinion "I know that".

I'll just round off with saying I disagree and leave it at that.

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but it is going to happen so deal with it

One way to deal with it is to oppose it.

That is what was done with the 1972 referendum that originally took us in – people opposed it for 44 years.

Now we are heading out – and I hope it won't take 44 years to reverse it – but the nearly 50% of people who voted to stay in have every right to oppose leaving. It seems perverse of the Exiteers to not recognise this.

Maybe some of the people who voted to leave don't recognise your right to oppose the decision (although I haven't met any) but you must recognise that the "leave" voters are not an homogenous group. They are different people with their own opinions so to claim that they don't recognise your right to oppose, as a group, is just silly.

I voted against the Common Market in the original referendum and have waited until proper constitutional machinery was provided to have another say. I suggest you campaign to get back in the EC during the time (hopefully as long as I waited) until the next referendum.

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That's fair – I'm sure you'd accept though that there have been some vocal Leavers (and I have met some of them) who have branded Remain voters as "remoaners" who "fail to accept a democratic vote" – without at all seeing the underlining irony of that statement. Some of these making such statements have been prominent politicians.

And equally obviously I hope that the rejoining referendum will be less than 44 years away. Fortunately the age demographic of the vote suggests that this is likely to be the case. My prediction – 10 years of negotiations to get fully out, 5 years staying out due to stubbornness/inertia, and then about 5-10 years to get back in again.

that is supposing that the EU even exists in 20 years.

I would like to believe that I will spend the next 20 years doing something slightly more interesting than waiting for re admission to the EU.

In the long term wonder if technology might make the whole issue of where things are produced obsolete. A lot of figure manufacturers are already using computer design programs and 3 D printing to make their masters. As the technology improves then maybe we'll buy the files for our figures then get them printed by a local manufacturer, a bit like taking a pdf of a set of rules to Staples and getting it laser printed and bound. Would that be a way of getting round tarrifs etc?
In the short term it might not matter much as I think people will pay more for certain things if they really want them.

Businesses will always find ways to trade. Having been caught unprepared by the result, major companies have looked at the situation and realised the initial panic was unfounded. Brexit will be used as a convenient excuse to divert attention from bad decision-making – Jamie Oliver already has made a prat of himself by trying it.

Yes. As soon as article 50 is triggered middle-aged men all over the UK will immediately dump all their toy soldiers, scenery, rulers, dice, etc, and do something else. All copies of Charge! will be ceremoniously placed in a large bonfire on Beachy Head. The Perry Twins will be seen begging on the streets. I have that on good authority from George Osborne.

Or…

No, we may buy more or less than we used to. Just like we always have depending on the economic circumstance. I started just before the Winter of Discontent (the 70s one, I'm not that old..). Still here…

I have personally pumped several thousand US Dollars into the UK Economy, ordering direct from Perry and North Star and Front Rank and about two dozen orders from Wayland Games…

Thank you Judge.

American here. Since Brexit, I have spent hand over fist with small British miniatures companies and retailers, including twenty Wayland orders since June 23 (which does not include items I ordered via a friend's account when combining for free shipping). American hobbyists who aren't shopping British right now need to think again. But many pf us are already buying British in a big way. If you are a struggling British miniatures company, consider ways to get your products/services in front of American eyes.

As an overseas customer I have to admit that a weak pound makes me happy and I've caught up with a few orders lately that I've put off for years. Of course, the Aussie dollar is a fickle bitch these days, so who knows what's ahead.

We get worked over by distributors here – I can almost always mail order from the UK for half price over local retailers. GW is particularly bad (£22 product will get flogged for AUD$55 – about a 50% markup… and that's on their OWN websites!) Add in a general restriction on availability for some product lines and I'm rarely buying from local retailers these days.

As a contrast to GW, Perry drop the 18% VAT for foreign orders and charge a flat 20% shipping fee (nice for small orders), so you end up paying roughly the same price you would at a shop in the UK.