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OldBlackWater Inactive Member16 Jan 2017 5:13 p.m. PST

Hello Folks,

After a long hiatus I'm back at work in the shipyard and have launched 2 1/600 scale Peter Pig models; the 90 Day Gunboat and the steam sloop Hartford which I have built as the USS Richmond. I like both the models and feel they came out well.


Here is a link to my blog with more photos




79thPA Supporting Member of TMP16 Jan 2017 5:34 p.m. PST

Great stuff! Good job.

The G Dog Fezian Inactive Member16 Jan 2017 5:48 p.m. PST

That's very nice work!

I had to look three times to be sure it was a Peter Pig casting.

You've raised the bar for the rest of us on what is possible.

Yellow Admiral Supporting Member of TMP16 Jan 2017 5:55 p.m. PST

I agree. I'm not impressed with the Peter Pig 1/600 castings, but you made them look quite nice. Excellent work, sir.

FWIW, I'm still go back to gaze at your last photo essay sometimes. I love the way your USS Tyler came out.

- Ix

Disco Joe Inactive Member16 Jan 2017 6:24 p.m. PST

Nicely done.

Hussar123 Inactive Member16 Jan 2017 7:45 p.m. PST


Private Matter16 Jan 2017 7:48 p.m. PST

Very nice. They looks beautiful.

OldBlackWater Inactive Member16 Jan 2017 8:39 p.m. PST

Here's a couple more shots



Thanks for all the compliments. I have more Peter Pig models in the building queue, including a Cairo in progress. I have a couple Thoroughbred Cairo's in construction at the same time so folks will be able to compare them when complete. Many of the Peter Pig models are too deep in the hull and need to be sanded down to bring the waterline to a proper level- this was the case with the Cairo model. Future work on Peter Pig models will include the Ad Vance blockade runner, the Blackhawk a tin clad riverboat, and other models of a ferryboat and ram. The painted photos on the Peter Pig home page don't do justice to the level of detail in the hull castings. As I mentioned in my blog entry, my only real criticisms of the models are with the masts. They are grossly oversized and crude compared to the scale and detail of the hulls. This is less pronounced after rigging them, and less so on the steam sloop where the large hull and square rig serves to disguise the oversize spars. If I were to build more of these models I will probably go with Bay Area Yard masts or scratch build them myself.


Personal logo Dances with Clydesdales Supporting Member of TMP17 Jan 2017 5:38 a.m. PST

Outstanding work!

Big Red Supporting Member of TMP17 Jan 2017 8:50 a.m. PST

Inspirational models! Thanks for posting.

On your earlier models you used Oddzial Osmy (O8) 3mm ACW line for crew and on these you used Peter Pig crew. Which do you prefer?

Also you mentioned that you used etched brass ratlines but that they were not visible over 6". Do you feel that they were worth the effort?

David Manley17 Jan 2017 11:22 a.m. PST


Colonel Bogey17 Jan 2017 3:54 p.m. PST

Wow – very nice!

Please keep posting your future work on these.

OldBlackWater Inactive Member17 Jan 2017 5:11 p.m. PST

Big Red,

I think I prefer the O8 acw line as crew over the Peter Pig. O8 are individual castings and as such are more versatile than the Peter Pig crew which are cast in clumps of several men. The Peter Pig men are skinnier and have less detail than the O8 which are of a heftier sculpt. As Peter Pig casts crew onto their guns and in some cases right onto the vessel itself, I intend to the use the Peter Pig crew on these vessels as they match up better. I have a couple vessels where I have used both types of crew, but on opposite ends where the sculpting differences aren't apparent.

My jury is still out on whether I will use the etched brass ratlines again. I probably will because I think they add strength to the overall rigging, and I do enjoy picking up my vessels and looking at them up close.

jowady17 Jan 2017 8:42 p.m. PST


Choctaw18 Jan 2017 1:37 p.m. PST

I have a couple of PP ships and let's just say they didn't turn out quite that nice. Okay, compared to these mine are hideous. Beautiful models, sir.

The G Dog Fezian Inactive Member21 Jan 2017 8:05 a.m. PST

I have a couple of PP ships and let's just say they didn't turn out quite that nice. Okay, compared to these mine are hideous.


I was starting to take pride in my work, but geez, OBW you are the master and I am clearly the apprentice when it comes to modeling the ACW naval ships.

Hussar123 Inactive Member21 Jan 2017 10:10 p.m. PST

I only have playing pieces not master pieces!

Bozkashi Jones23 Jan 2017 9:16 a.m. PST

Beautiful stuff!

Axon03 Inactive Member26 Jan 2017 7:15 a.m. PST

I really like your USS Richmond! Painting question for you: I see that you've painted the masts different colors- the topmast seems black or dark brown with the remainder white. Was this common on navy ships? Or is it a little artists' license? Looks great though, I just started a USS Pawnee from BAY and was thinking about how to paint the masts and I might steal your color scheme.

I would also like to add some ratlines. Is a 1/600 etch the way to go, or is it not worth bothering?

Great work, thanks for sharing!

Axebreaker26 Jan 2017 7:43 a.m. PST

Very nice work!


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