"charging VAT Casting Room" Topic

hello
just your opinion..i've placed my very first order with CR ..just 3 blisters to take advantage of the Xmas discount…and i was charged an absurd VAT tax that, in practice, nullify the discount….any similar experience ?..personally is the firts time i have to pay that…also ordering from Foundry i never see that before…your thoughts please?

I've just done a dummy order to see what happens. There is a line saying how much tax you have paid; this is not in addition to the list price – it is already included. So for a £12.00 GBP pack, that is £10.00 GBP plus £2.00 GBP tax(@20%). You are not paying the tax on top of the list price (which is what can happen in various countries).

As they are doing a 20% discount, it should come out as £9.60 GBP for a normally £12.00 GBP bag. Compare this to the online list price of £12.00 GBP, not the pre-VAT £10.00 GBP

You are also paying tax on the shipping which isn't included in the 20% discount.

I guess they are shipping to you in Italy so they have no choice but to apply the tax. The equivalent in Italy would be 22% which I believe is increasing to 24% in 2017.

Wow, charging the tax on the shipping charges too.

My, that alone to me is gouging, but if that's the law, I guess you can't avoid it, unless you have a friend who travels regularly.

Yes postage is subject to VAT, nothing wrong with that. Not sure what the problem is tbh.

When I hit the checkout I get, Price £30.00 GBP (for the item, reduced from £36.00 GBP) and a note that says includes £5.00 GBP in tax, which is the VAT amount.

Well, lets run through this again shall we.

Most sales are subject to things called taxes these are applied by the Government and are bad things but are not optional.

Very little shops don't always have to pay these taxes but big ones always do.

Italy and the UK are members of what we call the EU. In the EU you do not have to pay custom charges when you order toys from another part of the EU.

BUT you do have to pay the taxes charged in that country.

Here's an example: I order wine from Portugal to be delivered to me in the UK. I don't have to pay any customs on this but I do pay 8% of the total cost to the seller in Portugal because he has to give that to the Portugese government. Maybe he should let me off the tax and pay it himself, maybe he should give me the wine for free. But he doesn't.

Now this is a whole lot more complicated if the order is going outside the EU, for example the US, and I don't think we should bother to try and understand all that detail. Just stick with the rule of thumb that all UK sellers are profiteering gougers.

But if you live in Europe that's how it works.

VAT here in Italy is a sort of bribe obtained trough Mafia style by an outlaw Gvt. …an higway rubbery without, of course any return in therms of services for the comunity ..so for me is a matter of honour to elude it as best as i can

ITALWARS

and that is one reason why I love Italy so much. Perhaps the one really civilised Country left in Europe. A Happy New Year to You.

thanks for your joke :-))…in fact we are the land of rebellion Vs French Republicans, Napoleons, Central Piedmontese authority….buon anno da Roma anche a te :-)

Endemic tax evasion is what knackered the Greek economy. Personally I'd prefer to pay taxes and not live in what is increasingly looking like a permanently broken economic environment.

In simple terms, when I ran Garrison I don't think an order went missing to the UK, USA, Canada, Australia, Eire, Russia, Germany.. losses to both Italy and France were 25%. Which is why I charged more posteage to Europe than I would otherwise have needed to – I had to send everything tracked and signed for which wasn't necessary in other countries.

Taxes or mail, dishonesty simply means everyone else has to pay more.

Perhaps it's a simple viewpoint – in the countries where I lost nothing, people have the viewpoint that honesty is the best policy, and assume other people feel the same, in those where I suffered losses 'for me is a matter of honour to elude it as best as i can' '

Sadly that attitude to taxation and rules/regulations in general is common in many European countries, particularly in southern and eastern Europe.

It is one of the arguments used to justify Britain leaving – daft really as tax evasion is just as common in the UK (but here it is an industry, serviced by highly paid 'professionals').

(but here it is an industry, serviced by highly paid 'professionals').

I used to work for a company that would pay taxes only on 3% of the revenue it was generating in the country. Clever tax/legal montage but poor, very poor citizenship.

Will and Garrison Miniatures..i noticed that you've the pleasure to live in UK..a civilised country..ruled by elected representatives responsible to their electors.which is not the case in my country..so the honesty deny money totally undue to those pushers which are our actual non elected government of Mafia puppets….just 20mn before i had the pleasure to have my cappuccino without asking to the coffeeshop owner the invoice

"losses to both Italy and France were 25%. Which is why I charged more posteage to Europe than I would otherwise have needed to "
i'm one of the victims of that trend..everytime i buy from a foreign ebayer i'm obliged to pay insured postage wich spoil the value of a cheap good…the reason for your very beliavable consideration (25% losses in italy) is simply because teh policy of the Postal Services (still owned and ruled by the Govt) is to trow away everything not registred in order to force you to pay registred/insured packages..the employees told you it more or less directly if you go psot something in Italy…so another criminal policy to steal money and maintain an enormous public structure or people sponsored by politicians and without any need or will to work honestly..or even working at all…

The problem is – if everyone in a country is a criminal… then everyone has a shared responsibility for it…

i agree they could be some cases..that 's an interesting statement..Nations where a decent opposition is absent….at first glance some case studies could be Ukraina after the Maidan guided so called "insurrection", Chechenia before re-establishing of law by Russia..

It's a problem in the sense that people in different countries have different definitions of 'criminal'. Is an action 'criminal' if the majority of the perople and the government support it? Current TMP thread – illegal settlements in Israel. Illegal, but look at how many supporters there are for Israel on TMP… and thats' where the state itself says the actions are illegal but refuses to do anything about it… and objects to people complaining about it.

Sometimes the criminal option is the reasonable option. Which is why things won't get better.

Taxes are not added onto shipping charges in the USA, at least for now.

Hope certain people don't find out about this additional "revenue stream", on our side of the pond.

For a private company, part of what you pay goes as tax, just as with any other transaction. VAT is really no different, except they are up front about how much you pay.

Sales and use tax is sometimes applied to postage and/or packing but that depends on the US state and what has been posted.
Indiana, for instance, would charge sales tax on the delivery charge if it was not sent by USPS. NY charges sales tax on the delivery charge if what is delivered is taxable. Nevada charges sales tax on packing and handling but not on shipping.

For the USPS, all the other taxes you pay make up for the tax exempt status of that body and for the billions spent in subsidy.

Yeah but italwars you do have wonderful food and beautiful women :-) Ahhh bell Italia