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TheKing30 Supporting Member of TMP04 Dec 2016 1:31 p.m. PST

Hey all

It's like Xmas here. I just got my rules from Sargents 3 (yes, Sunday delivery from the post office).

Just read the main rules and I can't wait to get my first game going. I'll have to play with the "silver hoard" of unpainted minis but at least I'll be able to play.

I've got 5 bags of Old Glory Pathans – now I need British. I'd like either Warlord or Perry plastics. Anyone have any preference? Maybe the large Warlord British box set???

Personal logo PaulCollins Supporting Member of TMP04 Dec 2016 1:50 p.m. PST

I am excited for you. Great rules, and you are in for memorable fights on the frontier.

TheKing30 Supporting Member of TMP04 Dec 2016 1:56 p.m. PST

@PaulCollins Thank you. After reading the rules they sound like allot of fun. I know a few friends and I will be playing them at Cold Wars but I also want to get in some games with the guys I game with locally.

alan lockhart Supporting Member of TMP04 Dec 2016 3:41 p.m. PST

Welcome to what is a very interesting colonial theatre.

Personally, I use the Old Glory Boer War British for the later period (the 1897 Pathan Revolt), when the Lee Metford rifle was used. Whatever figures you go for, make sure they are wearing puttees, rather than gaiters. It is also a good idea to have some Indian Army forces as they were more numerous on the Frontier: usually 1 British to 2 native battalions. You would have a choice of Gurkhas, Sikhs and Punjabi units for infantry and, of course, Bengal lancers and Guide Cavalry, as well as Sikh mountain batteries.

If you have a particular interest in "The Grim", might I invite you to consider my Yahoo North West Frontier group?

Also, TVAG has useful Action and Event Decks for this particular theatre to spped play along, rather than using a paying card deck.


Leadjunky Supporting Member of TMP04 Dec 2016 5:45 p.m. PST

Welcome to TSATF!

Best $20 USD investment I've ever made. The returns on fun have been a hundred fold. Enjoy. Ditto on the Old Glory stuff although I have a good bit of Foundry as well.

dBerczerk04 Dec 2016 6:00 p.m. PST

Would these rules work using the 54mm British, Indian, and Pathan figures from Armies in Plastic?

abelp0104 Dec 2016 6:45 p.m. PST

Hear! Hear!

Personal logo PaulCollins Supporting Member of TMP04 Dec 2016 7:17 p.m. PST

There's quite a bit on TSaTF in 54mm online. Here's one example:


Gone Fishing05 Dec 2016 8:18 a.m. PST

Paul, that's a great blog. Many thanks for that.

As stated, TSATF works very well in the big scale. If you halve your units to ten figures, cut stragglers in half for closing units (1-2= 1 figure; 3-4= 2 figures; 5-6= 3 figures) you really don't need to make any other tweaks. Depending on your basing, the frontage of these half units isn't much different from a full 28mm unit. We've even used the 28mm move distances, firing ranges, etc. and must say that after about the first turn one entirely forgets about any odd feeling with 54mm soldiers moving 6", and just get on with the game. Try it, you'll see.

And of course there's nothing quite like big toy soldiers!

Stepman305 Dec 2016 8:20 a.m. PST

If you started out with Old Glory for your Pathans I would stick with them for your Brits as well. Old Glory have a certain appeal about them with lots of variation but appearance wise they look better when kept with same figure type. They wont mix well with the more slender Perry sculpts… but that's just my opinion, which by any means isn't worth anything…I'm just anal retentive that way…

Mad Guru Supporting Member of TMP05 Dec 2016 11:02 p.m. PST


If you are set on 28mm plastics and choosing between Warlord and Perry, I would go for Perry, mostly because the Warlord plastics are for the Zulu War, while you will be pitting your Brits against Pathans. The majority of British regular infantry who fought Pathans and/or Afghans while wearing late 19th Century style uniforms and equipment (from say 1878 to 1897) had on khaki uniforms while doing so -- not all, but most.

IMHO, Perry 28mm plastics will scale close enough to your Old Glory 25mm Pathans to be able to use in the same game. I use Perry 28mm colonials from their metal ranges against my own 25mm Old Glory Pathans. They are a bit bigger but close enough to not be a problem in separate, at least for me.

Also, if you want to expand into artillery and or cavalry, or even Indian troops, you can do it with Perry metals from their Sudan and Victoria's Little Wars ranges, which are mostly metal but also include their plastic c.1880 British infantry in khaki.

Whatever you do, congrats on picking a great set of rules, and I hope you get a lot of enjoyment out of them!

Murvihill06 Dec 2016 10:35 a.m. PST

If the figures are only a little different in height you can alter the thickness of the base to make them appear the height you want. It looks odd with larger differences…

Nick Stern Supporting Member of TMP06 Dec 2016 1:48 p.m. PST

Don't be embarrassed by playing with unpainted figures. Some of the best games I ever played were those I played using unpainted plastic 1:72's while helping Hans Von Stockhausen play test his "Tomahawk and the Flame" Plains Wars variant for TSATF. Eventually we acquired a large painted collection of 15mm figures – enough to play the Little Big Horn – but we never had as much fun as we had with the plastics. We even had a Potts the scout character, from Major Dundee, with a missing arm. I foolishly got him killed defending a ford in the river and the other players all looked at me and said in unison: You killed Potts!

huron72506 Dec 2016 4:41 p.m. PST

Excellent set of rules. I use them for AWI.

TheKing30 Supporting Member of TMP09 Dec 2016 8:10 p.m. PST

The majority of British regular infantry who fought Pathans and/or Afghans while wearing late 19th Century style uniforms and equipment (from say 1878 to 1897) had on khaki uniforms while doing so -- not all, but most.

That brings up another question – what are you using for Khaki? Any specific colors from Vallejo or Foundry?

Codsticker17 Dec 2016 9:35 p.m. PST

That brings up another question what are you using for Khaki? Any specific colors from Vallejo or Foundry?

Vallejo Game Colour Khaki? Or is it too yellow?

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