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Daniel S24 Nov 2016 12:25 p.m. PST

I've posted updated and expanded order of battles for the 3 armies that fought in the battle of Breitenfeld 1631.

Tilly's Imperial Haupt-armada:

The Swedish Army of Gustavus Adolphus

The Saxon Army of Elector Johann Georg

You will still have to buy the book to get the all of the juicy details but I can at least share this much for free wink

Don Sebastian24 Nov 2016 1:14 p.m. PST

Amazing, Daniel!

vtsaogames24 Nov 2016 1:17 p.m. PST

Book? When, where, how much?

nickinsomerset24 Nov 2016 1:19 p.m. PST

Yes, have you written the book I have promised everyone that you would write?!!

Tally Ho!

huevans01124 Nov 2016 2:33 p.m. PST

Thanks, Daniel!

Mollinary24 Nov 2016 4:06 p.m. PST

Come on Daniel, don't tease us, let us buy the book!


valerio25 Nov 2016 12:13 a.m. PST

This is great. Where is te book!

Jcfrog25 Nov 2016 3:32 a.m. PST

Ah…. Katastrof

Another wonderful attempt at having me pursue the Baroque 30yw dream/ plan.

DGT12325 Nov 2016 10:44 a.m. PST

This is great news!! Book where and when? I will throw money at it!

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP25 Nov 2016 3:05 p.m. PST

Great stuff. Now all I have to do is to figure out how to download it!

Supercilius Maximus27 Nov 2016 3:41 a.m. PST

Marvellous stuff, Daniel. Can't wait for your book.

badger2227 Nov 2016 7:07 p.m. PST

I have been waiting for this for 10 years, when will it be out?

Personal logo BigRedBat Sponsoring Member of TMP01 Dec 2016 3:00 p.m. PST

I am also looking forward to the book! Super.

takeda33310 Nov 2017 2:39 a.m. PST

wonderful help and a great aid…….thank you so much for your time and extra effort in making this available to us.
again, thank you.

Elenderil29 Nov 2017 12:03 p.m. PST

1. When is your long awaited book going to be released?
2. Will an English language version be available?
3. If the answer to Q2 is no where can I learn Swedish really really quickly😁

takeda33303 Feb 2018 8:34 a.m. PST

Is there any updated news on Daniel's book?

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2019 9:38 a.m. PST

Old post I know, but this is the first TYW battle I'm looking into doing at some point and I was wondering if Daniel ever released a book.

He isn't able to receive any PMs here at TMP so I appreciate any news or updates.

Daniel S08 Jul 2019 10:37 a.m. PST

Working hard on it at this very moment, it is the first book of several that I am under contract for. The exact date it will be available is up to my publisher and when there will be an opening in the scheduel for that particular series. (Not an Osprey book, I can say that much).

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2019 11:28 a.m. PST

Awesome news Daniel! Glad I asked.

I'll keep an eye out in this forum for further news. Thank you!

Puster Sponsoring Member of TMP08 Jul 2019 2:43 p.m. PST

TYW is not my main field of interest, but I will make sure to get a copy of that one :-)

WKeyser08 Jul 2019 9:25 p.m. PST

Helion could be the publisher. Cannot wait for this.

Personal logo BigRedBat Sponsoring Member of TMP09 Jul 2019 2:40 a.m. PST

Very good news!

Charge The Guns09 Jul 2019 2:57 p.m. PST

Looking forward to it!

Mollinary11 Jul 2019 5:32 a.m. PST

I will be looking to get it within seconds of it coming out!

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP16 Jul 2019 7:44 p.m. PST

Daniel S, if you check back here I was wondering if you've seen the GMT game, "Lion of the North"?

It covers the battle of Breitenfeld. I wondered what you thought of its order of battle in particular. Thanks.

Daniel S17 Jul 2019 1:22 a.m. PST

GMT's "Lion of the North" was really the starting point for my own research, the Scenario booklet had a list of sources complete with comments at the end which I used as a "road map" to get to know the period in greater depth. Finding one book on that list usually gave me a new bibliography full of books to track down.

The game itself is honestly not very good as a game, the interpretation of TYW combat gives the Swedes superpowers that permanently unbalance the scenarios. Swedish bias would be expected given how the two battles were understood and presented at the time but some of the Swedish special rules simply took things too far.

The order of battle is pretty good for the time, like me they used the Swedish General Staff study "Sveriges Krig 1611-32" as the fundation. They then added details from German secondary sources. However, they did use their own invented way of classifying cavalry types rather than the historical one and their pike to shot ratios for non-Swedish units were more or less made up. There is also some misidentification of units, for example they have the Neu-Piccolomini regiment present even though it did not exist at the time. The "Troop Quality" ratings assigned are rather arbitrary and frankly unjustified in a number of instances (Blue brigade and Comargo-Reinach with TQ 6, Småland native Swedish cavalry with TQ 9 (!) and so on)
Last but no least it has the same problem with unit positions that every reconstruction of the battle has, there are large gaps in what we know about the Saxons and we know even less about Tilly's deployment. It is so frustrating that we have lost the detailed sketches of the battle made by Olof Hansson, Gustavus chief military engineer at the time. The loss/disapperance of Tilly's archive after the battle didn't excatly help either.

takeda33301 Jan 2020 11:54 a.m. PST

The new "Play the Thirty Years War 1618-1648" has ob and maps for Lutzen, Breitenfeld and White Moutain. These are somewhat similar to Daniel's fine work and was quite surprised. Some simple rules are also included as well as the paper soldiers.

Jcfrog25 Mar 2020 4:27 a.m. PST

How is that book going? Painting, basing my 30yw armies, better not to have to redo😋.

takeda33308 Apr 2020 3:33 a.m. PST

Question, Could all of Gustav's inf. utilize salvo fire or just native Swedes and the colors inf. regiments? Some say all and others say the German Merc. regiments couldn't?
I'm only concerned up thru Lutzen.
Thanks for expertise and help.

takeda33307 Apr 2021 1:26 a.m. PST

Any update on your book Daniel S ? Thank you and hope all is well.

John Leahy Sponsoring Member of TMP09 Apr 2021 10:56 a.m. PST

no kidding. I jumped when I saw his blog! I was ready to buy the book then. Hope it still is published!



Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP30 Jun 2021 10:24 a.m. PST

Following up on above; any updates?

Daniel S06 Jul 2021 1:39 p.m. PST

The book is still in the works, however the ongoing pandemic and my own struggling health has disrupted the work on it and the other books I'm under contract for.

Elenderil12 Nov 2021 2:29 p.m. PST

Daniel. Hopefully the impact on your health is under control but if not as others have said health comes before writing. If the books are even half as useful as I'm hoping they will be really well received.

takeda33328 Jan 2023 3:45 p.m. PST

Just thought I'd check in to this how the book is coming along.

takeda33308 Sep 2023 4:49 p.m. PST

Following up on above.

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