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Personal logo COL Scott ret Supporting Member of TMP22 Nov 2016 2:29 a.m. PST

In the following post Londoncalling opens a discussion "The Battles Every Wargamer Should Know".

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So I ask the assembled wisdom and august repository of knowledge that is TMP:

What battles should every Wargamer know?

ashill222 Nov 2016 4:01 a.m. PST

The battle to stop buying every shiny new thing you see! By the way, the result is always the same – the shiny new things win!

Dynaman878922 Nov 2016 5:17 a.m. PST

Whatever ones they want to play. All others optional. Heck even the ones they want to play can be optional.

Weasel22 Nov 2016 5:24 a.m. PST

Gettysburg, Austerlitz and Stalingrad.

Volstagg Vanir22 Nov 2016 5:33 a.m. PST

Should Know, right…?
Not necessarily 'wargame'. but actually Know
… Okee-Dokee, then (cracks knuckles) :

Meggido (1457 BC)
Gaugamela (323 BC)
Marathon (490 BC)
Thermopylae (480 BC)
Syracuse (413 BC)
Arbela (331 BC)
Changping (262-60 BC)
Metaurus (207 BC)
Zama (202 BC)
Emmaus (166 BC)
Pharsalus (48 BC)
Teutoburg Forest (AD 9)
Milvian Bridge (320 AD)
Catalun (AD 451)
Badr (AD 624)
Yarmuk (AD 636)
Byzantium (AD 717–18)
Poitiers (AD 732)
Talas River (751 AD)
Lechfeld (955 AD)
Hastings ( AD 1066 …amd All That)
Manzikert (AD 1071)
Hattin (AD 1187)
Tarrain (AD 1191-92)
Ayn Jalut (AD 1260)
Poitiers (AD 1356)

Agincourt (1415)
Orléans (1428-29)
Constantinople (1453)
Tenochtitlan (1521)
Cajamarca (1521)
Panipat (1526)
Vienna (1529)
Cajamarca (1532)
Talikota (1565)
Nagashino (1575)
Gravelines (Defeat of the Spanish Armada 1588)
Hansan-do (1592)
Sekigahara (1600)
Naseby (1645)

Blenheim (1704)
Poltava ( 1709)
Karnal (1739)
Plassey (1757)
Lexington and Concord (1775)
Saratoga (1777)
Yorktown (1781)
Wabash River (1791)
Valmy (1792)

Trafalgar (1805)
Polotsk (1812)
Borodin (1812)
Leipzig (1813)
Waterloo (1815)
Solferino (1859)
Peking (1860)
Geoktepe (1881)
Antietam (1862)
Gettysburg (1863)
Aizu (1868)
Sedan (1870)
Little Bighorn (1876)

Tsushima (1905)

Tannenberg (1914)
3rd Ypres (Passchendaele 1914)
Belgrade (1914)
1st Marnes (1914)
Gallipoli (1915)
Jutland (1916)
Verdun (1916)
Somme (1916)
Messines (1917)
Arras (1917)
Belleau Wood (1918)
100 Day Offensive (1918)

Khalkhin Gol (1939)
Sedan (1940)
Britain (1940)
Crete (1941)
Brody (1941)
Moscow (1941-42)
Midway (1942)
Kharkov (1942)
Guadalcanal (1942-43)
Stalingrad (1942-43)
Kursk (1943)
Monte Cassino (1944)
Anzio (1944)
Philippine Sea (1944)
Leyte Gulf (1944)
Kohima (1944)
D-Day (1944)
the Bulge (1944-45)
Luzon (1945)
Iwo Jima (1945)
Berlin (1945)

Huai-Hai (1948-49)

Dien Bien Phu (1954)

Chawinda (1965)
Assal Uttar (1965)

June War (Six-Day War 1967)

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP22 Nov 2016 6:05 a.m. PST


Winston Smith22 Nov 2016 6:24 a.m. PST


Volstagg Vanir22 Nov 2016 6:38 a.m. PST

Gaugamela (1331 BC)
Kadesh (1274 BC)
Marathon (490 BC)
Salamis (480 BC)
Platea (479 BC)
Hydaspes (326 BC)
Syracuse (212 BC
Metaurus (207 BC)
Gai Xia (202 BC)
Carrhae (53 BC)

Red Cliffs (208 AD)
Chalons (274 AD)
Siege of Baghdad (1258)

Vienna (1683)
Battle of Saragarhi (1897)
Ngoc Hoi Dong Da (1788-89)

the Alamo (1836)
Rorke's Drift (1879)

Somme (1916)

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP22 Nov 2016 7:24 a.m. PST

Kramer vs. Kramer

Allen57 Supporting Member of TMP22 Nov 2016 7:35 a.m. PST

knowing a battle which you are gaming may add to the enjoyment of the game but you do not have to know any battles.

richarDISNEY22 Nov 2016 7:47 a.m. PST

Me vs. my flatmate for the last beer in the chiller… 7/19/2003.
He never made that mistake again.

londoncalling22 Nov 2016 7:55 a.m. PST

I think where I was originally coming from with this question was, which iconic, landmark defining battles should every "well-rounded, well-informed wargamer" have a reasonable appreciation of. Irrelevant of whether they will ever game it or not!

I personally like to
1. annoy my wife with trivial but interesting military facts either during films or her soaps
2. Impress my sons with my seemingly encyclopeadic knowledge
3. continue to broaden my historical knowledge to show I am mature and intellectual and don't just spend my time playing with little toy soldiers :)

I for one, will certainly look through this thread and sort out future reading. Thanks all…

vtsaogames22 Nov 2016 9:18 a.m. PST

A coworker used to call me a regular cesspool of useless information.

rustymusket22 Nov 2016 9:41 a.m. PST

Every war gamer should know the battles they want to know. Why others?

ironicon22 Nov 2016 10:30 a.m. PST


OldGrenadier at work22 Nov 2016 10:51 a.m. PST

The Waistline?

Ragbones Supporting Member of TMP22 Nov 2016 11:03 a.m. PST

I don't know about those I "should" know but I remember every battle in which I lost a family member, friend or colleague.

evilgong22 Nov 2016 2:47 p.m. PST

Simultaneous vs alternating movement

USAFpilot22 Nov 2016 3:19 p.m. PST

Ancient: Thermopylae
Medieval: Agincourt
Napoleonic: Waterloo
US Civil War: Gettysburg

ironicon22 Nov 2016 3:27 p.m. PST

You left out Yarmuk.

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP22 Nov 2016 4:01 p.m. PST

Battle of Britain

Personal logo COL Scott ret Supporting Member of TMP22 Nov 2016 9:24 p.m. PST

London, I agree with you it really will become a list for me to look up more battles so that I can enjoy the study. I also am sure that my wife and children love to hear more about what may seem to them to be obscure military history.

But then they are not surprised, I have been doing it for years (since before I met my wife) and I even had the great fortune to command a Military History Detachment.

Rusty, this is just a list to see something that might inspire me to grow in knowledge. This is not an entrance exam rather a study guide.

BTW, some good battles that I want to learn more about. As always trust to TMP members.

Personal logo Gonsalvo Supporting Member of TMP22 Nov 2016 11:07 p.m. PST

No Austerlitz? No Leuthen? and Cannae a late addition!

And how about a plug for the two famous, crushing victories of my (screen)namesake, Gonsalvo (Gonzalo) de Cordoba, "El Gran Capitan" of Spain, Cerignola (1501) and his "crowning mercy" The Garigliano (1503)?

Grignotage23 Nov 2016 7:14 a.m. PST


Cyrus the Great25 Nov 2016 12:18 p.m. PST

None from memory, because I can always look them up!

Scorpio30 Nov 2016 1:00 p.m. PST

Should? Pfft.

Battle of Endor (4 ABY)
Battle of Five Armies (TA 2941)
Battle of Hoth (3 ABY)
Battle of the Pelennor Fields (TA 3019)

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