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21 Nov 2016 3:44 p.m. PST
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Pajaro Muerto21 Nov 2016 2:45 p.m. PST

To all helpful members who want to test their recognition skills: I bought a few 1/2400 WWII ships in lots on eBay two years ago, and didn't write down their names. Can you guys help me indetify these three classes that still elude me? The bottom one (3) looks like a German Narvik destroyer to me a bit, but from the top view, the superstructures aren't wide enough and shapes are a bit different…

Extra points if you can tell the mini's brand! Thanks as always, —Rolando

taskforce5821 Nov 2016 2:53 p.m. PST

#1 is a Brooklyn class CL
#2 is a New Orleans class CA

lloydthegamer Supporting Member of TMP21 Nov 2016 3:59 p.m. PST

#3 looks like a Fletcher DD

Wargamer Blue21 Nov 2016 6:01 p.m. PST

#3 Definitely Fletcher class.

taskforce5821 Nov 2016 6:08 p.m. PST

#3 midship and aft layout looks a bit like a Fletcher, but the two funnels are different sized, and there is only one turret forward of the bridge, and it looks like a twin gun turret. Not a Fletcher.

The Brooklyn looks to be about 6.2cm long, and the real thing is 185m long, which works out to roughly 1/3000. So DAVCO?

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP21 Nov 2016 6:11 p.m. PST

The Fletchers did not have a single dual 5" mount
forward.

link

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP21 Nov 2016 6:15 p.m. PST

Japanese, probably. Mat-Su, Yukikaze or Kagero class
not sure which

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP21 Nov 2016 6:19 p.m. PST

Nope, none of those classes.

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP21 Nov 2016 6:34 p.m. PST

She might be IJN Harusame (not the torpedo boat of that
name during the Russo-Japanese war, but the 1930's
version)

link

wrgmr121 Nov 2016 7:04 p.m. PST

That's really close Ed, but the forward superstructure looks different, forward turret and funnels are the same.

BuckeyeBob21 Nov 2016 7:42 p.m. PST

No. 3 is indeed a Narvik class DD. A few, Z37-39 for example had the twin forward gun house.

link

Are there any type of markings on the underside of the castings?
Some manufacturers used a distinctive code etched on the underside.

dragon6 Supporting Member of TMP21 Nov 2016 7:56 p.m. PST

I suspect they are Superior if they are 1/2400 and most 1/3000 do not have separate turrets.

If they are Superior they should have markings on the bottom.

They aren't CinC or GHQ

Personal logo Virtualscratchbuilder Supporting Member of TMP Fezian21 Nov 2016 9:01 p.m. PST

"Narvik" is not really a class, but a generic appellation for the numbered destroyers starting with Z23. "Narvik" is derived from the first class of seven ships which formed the 8th Destroyer squadron, which was given the name "Narvik Zerstorerflotilla" to commemorate the ships lost in 1940.

There were four classes to which "Narvik" is applied which while similar in dimension and overall look, differed in bridge configuration and in some cases, gun caliber. The twin 5.9 turret forward was a standard feature of only the third class (7 ships including Z37-Z39)) and was retrofitted to some but not all of the first class (7 ships). The forth class of 5 ships was armed with 5" rather than 5.9" guns, all in single mounts.

That said, the model above is not a perfect match for any of the German DD's, but there are no other DD's that I can think of with a twin forward and three singles aft.

No Japaneses destroyers had a twin forward and three singles aft. Harusame had a twin forward and a twin and a single aft.

Pajaro Muerto21 Nov 2016 10:34 p.m. PST

WHOA! Guess this was a fun post—so many replies :) Thanks for the help.

Taskforce58: Good eye-guessing! but those squares are half inches though. Calculating for that and the length you said, the mini is about 1/2350.

BuckeyeBob: The bottoms of the two cruisers are hollow, and you can see the stems of the glued turrets. There's no letters in relief. I do have two carriers and a North Carolina BB from Superior, and their name is there, in raised relief inside the bottom concavity.

The Narvik-y DD's are flat below.

—Rolando

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP22 Nov 2016 11:48 a.m. PST

After going far afield, I agree that the DD is a German
design and PROBABLY from the Z37-39 builds BEFORE
the removal of one of her after turrets which were
replaced by an additional AA mount.

A stimulating exercise Rolando !

BuckeyeBob22 Nov 2016 12:33 p.m. PST

Superior (Alnavco) has an etched name or Model ID number.
I never bought any Cinc ships so can't comment on any mfg marks.
Most of my fleet is Superior and GHQ there were other manufacturers back in the day that did not mark their products that I bought in order to have slightly different "sisters" of the same class. I have some Viking Forge and USA (OOP)models and know the USA models did not have a marking, but not sure on Viking Forge (which back in 1980's made more types than their web page shows now). As my ships are now attached to bases I can't verify a mfg mark.
Looking at the amount of detail of your 3 ships, I don't think they were USA but could be later Viking Forge as they were making new molds of their WW2 line during that time period, increasing the details.

Pajaro Muerto23 Nov 2016 12:09 a.m. PST

So I was right about them being Narviks :) Feel so proud! A pretty camo pattern will be going me them…

I guess that most of those models were earlier, 20th Century sculpts (can't believe I'm using centuries to tell of the past!). I did get them in lots of 12-so ships.

—Rolando

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