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Keithandor20 Nov 2016 6:27 p.m. PST

Hi all
I just played a scenario for Cedar Creek,
I didn't get around to finding out how each brigade would have been armed , with Smoothbore muskets or rifled muskets.
It makes some difference in the rules we play , and I like to at least have a rough idea of how both sides were armed-.
We had a special rule for the heat and fatigue at the time of Cedar Creek etc. So we do like a bit of detail and set the table up as close the actual old maps we can find.

Any suggestions on how each brigade would be armed in 1862 if I cant find a more detailed OOB ?


John Thomas8 Supporting Member of TMP20 Nov 2016 7:56 p.m. PST

1864? I found a battle at Cedar Mountain in 1862, but the Cedar Creek references I find are all pointing at 1864 in the Valley.

Keithandor20 Nov 2016 8:46 p.m. PST

Hehe , yeah my bad , I had creek on the brain for some reason.
We had a creek running across the map , "Cedar Run"

I meant to say Cedar Mountain.


John Thomas8 Supporting Member of TMP20 Nov 2016 8:57 p.m. PST

Okay. That's a place to start.

That wiki page has links to the OOBs, pretty detailed.


Dn Jackson20 Nov 2016 11:44 p.m. PST

If you can hold of images for the counter sheets for the old SPI Civil War games that were based on a system where each counter was a regiment. Each regiment's weapon is listed on the counter, rifle, musket, poor rifle, breach loader, etc.

Ah-ha. The series was called Great Battles of the Civil War. Here's the Board Game Geek page: link

Here's the Cedar Mountain game. link

There are images of the counters and you can see the weapons for infantry, cavalry, and artillery.

I play Johnny Reb and find these games to be great for the weapons. The games themselves are very good too.

Old Wolfman21 Nov 2016 8:23 a.m. PST

Cedar Creek would likely have a die roll for when Phil Sheridan suddenly rides in.

Keithandor21 Nov 2016 3:12 p.m. PST

Thanks Dn Jackson , I am looking at them now , trying to decipher the counters.

Personal logo gamertom Supporting Member of TMP21 Nov 2016 9:03 p.m. PST

I still have my copy of the game. Here are the weapon types (abbreviations on counters):
R = Rifle (Springfield or Enfield)
M = Smoothbore Musket
C = Carbine (Most likely breechloading)
N = 12 lb Napoleon Smoothbore Gun
TA = 6 lb Rifled Gun (probably "James")
TB = 3 inch Rifled Gun (probably "Ordnance")
PA = 10 lb Parrott Rifled Gun

Large number to immediate right of weapon abbreviation is the strength in 100 men. Smaller number above it is the morale factor (higher is better morale).
I'd take the game's strengths with a grain of salt, but they're a starting point.

Keithandor22 Nov 2016 1:02 a.m. PST

Thanks Gamertom :)

coopman22 Nov 2016 7:06 p.m. PST

There is a new boardgame on the battle entitled "Stonewall's Sword" here:

scroll down a bit & you'll see it.

Dn Jackson22 Nov 2016 10:40 p.m. PST

I know some of the later ones include BL for breech loaders A for Austrian rifles, (e.g. poor rifles). I believe they also had P for 'poor' weapons.

Ramses23 Nov 2016 11:56 a.m. PST

Check out the website Obscure Battles

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