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Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP17 Nov 2016 7:03 p.m. PST

A friend wants to get into the Sikh Wars and/or Indian Mutiny.

What rules do you suggest? We are used to TSATF, but Jim is certainly Willing to look elsewhere.

As for figures, who has ranges in 15mm or 25/28mm?

Hafen von Schlockenberg Supporting Member of TMP17 Nov 2016 7:07 p.m. PST

The Old Glory 25mm Sikh Wars range was sculpted by Chris Hughes of Sash and Saber. Nice figures. I would tweak some Napoleonic rules.

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP17 Nov 2016 7:37 p.m. PST

Black Hat had a very comprehensive 15mm range…

Personal logo D6 Junkie Supporting Member of TMP17 Nov 2016 8:06 p.m. PST

Hey Winston,
My figs are mostly the Old Glory 25mm range, plus Foundry.
We've played 'Sepoy' rules a few times and are now looking at trying Men who would be kings rules.

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Ogdenlulimus17 Nov 2016 8:18 p.m. PST

The Old Glory Sikh War line is very nicely done. I use Lasalle for historical refights. I feel they work well and have enough flexability to fit the training and morale vagaries of both opponents.

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Hafen von Schlockenberg Supporting Member of TMP17 Nov 2016 8:20 p.m. PST

D6,those are all from the Mutiny line,right? I recognize some of the figures. I liked the Mutineers,but was not so crazy about most of the Brits. They looked like they were done by a different sculptor. What did you think of them?

Very well done,BTW!

Hafen von Schlockenberg Supporting Member of TMP17 Nov 2016 8:27 p.m. PST

Ogden--your pic just popped up. Do you have any close-ups of the infantry you could post? Sikhs,Brits,and Sepoys? Nice layout there,from what I can see. The camel gunners are not OG,are they? I didn't think they ever got around to them.

I agree that Napoleonics rules would probably be most appropriate for Sikh Wars. I don't think British tactics had changed much by the 1840s,and the Sikh Army reforms of the 1830s were along the lines of the French,AFAIK.

Though I would accept correction.

My dream of Sikh Wars with 32-figure batallions is so far unrealized.

Dennis Supporting Member of TMP17 Nov 2016 10:34 p.m. PST

For 15mm figures for the period, TSS/QRF has the Freikorps 15mm British India range and the old Feudal Castings range, now listed under Frikorps 15s, that cover both the Sikh wars and the Mutiny. Those figures that were originally sculpted as Freikorps are some of the nicest I've ever seen from that company, while the ones that started life as Feudal Castings are gems. IMHO, the Freikorps 15s are much nicer than the Black Hat 15s. Essex and other companies make lots of different figures that can be used as irregulars.

As to the use of Napoleonic war rules: The Sikhs were trained by European expats who were veterans of the Napoleonic wars and the top men were veterans of the French army, while the British senior commanders were also mostly Napoleonic war retreads so tactics had probably not changed much. As for technology, however, the British and John Company forces were mostly armed with percussion small arms in the First Anglo-Sikh War, and all British and Company combat troops had percussion small arms by the Second war (the artillery, for some reason, still had flintlock pistols)-some second line Company troops still had flintlocks into the 1850s and the irregular troops in Company service were mostly armed with matchlocks. The Sikhs, on the other hand, (IMO and Ian Heath disagrees with me on this) were mostly armed with flintlocks in both wars.

If you like Volley and Bayonet, G-Dog has adapted it for the Sikh wars and it makes for a very good game if you like V&B. I have also played in some games run by Mark Stevens using 800 Fighting Englishmen, and those rules also work very well albeit with, IIRC, more figures needed. Knowing your preference for TSATF, 800 Fighting Englishmen might be just the ticket.

Dennis

Ogdenlulimus17 Nov 2016 10:55 p.m. PST

HvS yes they sre OG, but from their Persian line. Swapped a couple heads etc. The army at this point in 2012 was a mix of Foundry, Minifig, and OG. I was replacing Minifig with the OG. I felt the sculpting was nearly as good as the Foundry units already done.

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Hafen von Schlockenberg Supporting Member of TMP17 Nov 2016 11:33 p.m. PST

Thanks. Right,I'd forgotten about the zamburaks in the Persian line--I was thinking of the regrettably unproduced First Afghan War range.

I notice that the camels seem to come in at least two different poses. That would be unusual(though welcome) for OG. Or did you do that yourself?

Personal logo Captain DEwell Supporting Member of TMP18 Nov 2016 2:45 a.m. PST

I suggest Iron Duke Miniatures for 28mm Indian Mutiny figures. Interesting website.

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irondukeminiatures.co.uk

Green Tiger Supporting Member of TMP18 Nov 2016 3:08 a.m. PST

What about 20mm? – Newline designs do Sikh Wars and Irregular do Indian Mutiny. We used Warring Empires…

Oh Bugger18 Nov 2016 3:19 a.m. PST

I use Piquet Field of Battle and it works very well for the Sikh Wars.

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Lots of 15mm figures about and you can see most of them on my blog with comparison pics. withob.blogspot.co.uk

Henry Martini18 Nov 2016 3:45 a.m. PST

Dixon Miniatures has a comprehensive 15mm Indian Mutiny range.

Buckeye AKA Darryl18 Nov 2016 4:18 a.m. PST

Here is a one stop shop of information about gaming the First Sikh War in 25mm using Volley and Bayonet.

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bruntonboy18 Nov 2016 5:07 a.m. PST

Another shout out for Newline they real gems and currently have a sale on to….

Rdfraf Supporting Member of TMP18 Nov 2016 7:19 a.m. PST

If you decide on Foundry, I have a lot of unpainted Sikh War and Indian Mutiny figures left over from my campaign games that I never got around to painting and would love to sell. PM me if interested

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP18 Nov 2016 7:27 a.m. PST

Send me your email address and I'll have Jim get in touch with you.

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP18 Nov 2016 7:59 a.m. PST

Rules from Sergeants3 (TSATF) sergeants3.com :

Sikh Wars -- Flames in the Punjab – Sikh Wars of 1845/1846 and 1848/1849

Mutiny -- The Sword in India – a TSATF variant

Jim

WillieB Supporting Member of TMP18 Nov 2016 10:49 a.m. PST

Indian Mutiny in 28mm

Iron Duke (sold by Empress Miniatures)has a fabulous and still growing range of figures. By the time this range ( sculpted by Paul Hicks!) is done, it will be the most complete range in existence. Already 80+ different sepoys available and that's just the start. A wargamer's dream come true.
empressminiatures.com

The Indian Mutiny Foundry range is still one of the best. The figures are somewhat smaller than Iron Duke and Mutineer, but they are such lovely sculpts it would be a shame not to use them.

Mutineer Miniatures also have a very nice range of (what else) Indian Mutiny figures. They are somewhat bigger than Iron Duke but certainly compatible.
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AW Miniatures has a small range of again compatible figures but quality is somewhat less IMHO/ Also noted several sculpting mistakes.
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Old Glory has Indian Mutiny figures as well but again I feel that, especially because of some really awkward poses, they are not in the same league as Iron Duke, Foundry or Mutineer.

Conqueror Models too has a range of Indian Mutiny figures. I only have one pack but those aren't really very good at all. They have a few poses unavailable anywhere else, but be prepared for some work to get a good figure out of it. Rather wait for Iron Duke for better ones.
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Indus Miniatures are normally meant for an earlier period but many of the figures can be used in the Indian Mutiny.
Their native artillery especially is simply superb.
Their website isn't the most customer friendly and some of the available figures are somewhat 'hidden'
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This direct link reveals a lot more than trying to get there via the Homepage
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Preferred rules are Sharpe Pratice 2

Khusrau18 Nov 2016 1:59 p.m. PST

Depends what you want to model, big battles/small(ish) skirmishes.. storyline or abstract and so on.. scale preferences etc.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP18 Nov 2016 3:31 p.m. PST

We will wish to start playing as soon as we have enough to do a battle.
That means starting small and working our way up, if it holds our interest.

Hafen von Schlockenberg Supporting Member of TMP18 Nov 2016 5:32 p.m. PST

In that case,Mutiny with TSATF would be the place to start, I'd think.

WillieB Supporting Member of TMP21 Nov 2016 2:54 a.m. PST

Sharpe Practice 2 would be suitable as well.
For a small test game about 40 figures a side would be sufficient.

John Watts21 Nov 2016 5:09 a.m. PST

For Sikh Wars in 15mm, Irregular Miniatures do a good range spread across a number of different catalogue pages (including colonial, Indian mutiny and Crimea). For rules, I use Rank & File from Crusade. It's a simple, generic horse and musket set, with add-ons for different sub-periods. My Sikh Wars specific changes can be found in the Crusade Publishing Forum.

deflatermouse Supporting Member of TMP21 Nov 2016 2:43 p.m. PST

I do Sikh Wars in 15mm with figures mostly from old Feudal Castings now TSS.
Excellent figures, excellent service, very helpful.
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With the gaps filled by Black Hat games. The two go very well together in my opinion. The Sikh guns and crews are great. The camel gunners need re-doing.
Again excellent figures and service.
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I also use Piquet Field of Battle and they work really well, are fun and give a great Sikh War feel.
We tried Volley & Bayonet but it felt very Napoleonic, more than a battle in India.


I do have a lot of the Mutiny in 15mm mostly Dixon's excellent figures but with some Minifigs and an old range of lovely figs that Lancashire Games used to do, but sadly no more.
I found the best rules I played with the Mutiny was a set of large unit skirmish type rules called (funnily enough) Indian Mutiny Skirmish Rules. From Active Service Press.
28 figure units for British 25 for Mutineers.
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dave00177613 Jan 2017 5:19 a.m. PST

I spoke to someone at Foundry back in early November and was told the Sikh war range was just about ready to go back on the site and to send an e mail requesting a list, did this but got no reply. I looked on the site in the new year and still nothing so I e mailed again, no reply. I have just phoned them and it seems the range is available at the shop but is still not on the website, Trying very hard to buy a load of the figures but they aren't making it easy !!

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