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Guthroth16 Nov 2016 2:31 p.m. PST

Terrible news. Desecration of war graves on an almost unimaginable scale

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The Beast Rampant16 Nov 2016 2:48 p.m. PST

Is this for real? And is the scrap really so valuable that anyone would go to that much trouble?

Experts say the operation would have needed large cranes for long periods of time and would be unlikely to have gone unnoticed.

Damn right it wouldn't.

And I'm sure whoever is responsible gave the sailors remains a proper service.

Horrid…

Bellbottom16 Nov 2016 3:06 p.m. PST

Disgraceful!

Darkest Star Games Sponsoring Member of TMP16 Nov 2016 3:19 p.m. PST

Wow. Someone highly placed had to know about it, and probably been paid to stay quiet.

Perhaps we of the "more developed world" have no clue how bad it may be in other countries for them to stoop to such a thing?

Wackmole916 Nov 2016 3:22 p.m. PST

Why are you surprised! They are doing it in the North sea on Ships from the Battle of Jutland. The price of metal has sky rocketed and so have the cost to mine new ore.

SBminisguy16 Nov 2016 3:25 p.m. PST

Wow. Someone highly placed had to know about it, and probably been paid to stay quiet.

Yep.

hocklermp516 Nov 2016 3:30 p.m. PST

Sickening.

StarCruiser16 Nov 2016 6:15 p.m. PST

Steel from before the first atomic bombs is considered very valuable. Any ship sunk in WWI or WWII would be considered a good source.

Still a sick thing to do but…

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP16 Nov 2016 6:57 p.m. PST

If anyone checks satellite images it may turn up clues…

Charlie 1216 Nov 2016 7:20 p.m. PST

The salvage operators in that area are notorious for having no respect for wargraves.

Truly sickening. But not surprising, unfortunately.

Twilight Samurai16 Nov 2016 8:22 p.m. PST

Not the first time I'e heard of this going on around Indonesia.

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Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP16 Nov 2016 9:34 p.m. PST

Disgusting. I hope the people responsible pay in the next life if not this one.

KTravlos17 Nov 2016 12:27 a.m. PST

while it is sad, why would an indonesian, or malay, or fillipino, or any of the poor employed in these operations care about dutch, dutch colonial, american. British, or Australian war graves? They do not see it as their own history (maybe they should, but they do not).

There is nothing new in this. From how north american european settlers and their descendeds have treated ameridian sacred grounds (a certain pipeline comes to mind), to how nations all over the globe have treated each others war graves. Perhaps in western Europe they have become better, but good luck finding Ottoman, German, or Italian military cemeteries (or even civilian cemeteries) in Greece, Ottoman, Serbian, and Greek military cemeteries (or even civilian cemeteries) in Bulgaria, Ottoman or Bulgarian, or Austrian cemeteries in Serbia etc. Hell I know people who steal other peoples graves in cemeteries to bury their own. Disgusting, but it happens more often then people think, especially where land is at a prenium.

In a world were humans are divided by creed, nation, tribe, some graves will always be less respected than others. It is good that veteran organisations (at least some of them) try to reach over those divisions, but that is simply a small minority (perhaps a minority within a minority) of humanity. Especially when there is money to make.

That said, andron epifanon pasa gis tafos "For exemplary humans, all earth is a tomb".

As long as there are people to remember them,the actions and bravery of the people who died at the Battle of Java Sea, will outlast the rotting metal, the perdify of thievery, the many dollars the salvage bosses will make, the pittance the salvage workers will make, and the general eradication of memory by time. If this makes some more people aware of the actions of that fateful battle, so be the better.For the greatest monument are those who remember you.

Zargon17 Nov 2016 9:10 a.m. PST

The pendulum will swing, remember, don't forget, repay disrespect with meaning.

Guthroth18 Nov 2016 3:02 a.m. PST

Wackmole can you provide an on line ref for Jutland ships being salvaged ? I'd not heard of that before.

Personal logo Doms Decals Sponsoring Member of TMP18 Nov 2016 6:08 a.m. PST

Guthroth, lots of sources for that one – the story was fairly widely picked up back in the spring:

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richarDISNEY18 Nov 2016 8:13 a.m. PST

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Horrible.
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