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Creepy Pumpkin Head30 Oct 2016 6:21 a.m. PST

Awesome kickstarter looking for backers. Unique modular city terrain, perfect for all modern and apocalypses gaming. Many stretch goals already unlocked.

buildings, roads, railways, mall and prison…

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londoncalling30 Oct 2016 12:04 p.m. PST

Looks like very nice stuff and very tempted, but like many I don't see myself as having time or the desire to get into "home 3d printing". I wish KS's like this would say "and we have partnered up with acme 3d printing who will be more than happy to take your orders if you wish and a typical building will cost £x ".

What is so difficult about that ?

Could anyone point me to a recommended uk printer bureau ?

richarDISNEY31 Oct 2016 7:16 a.m. PST

I agree with LondonCalling and Terrement.
Not having a 3d printer, nor know of printing services, I have no idea how much printing would cost…

But the designs look fantastic!
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londoncalling31 Oct 2016 7:39 a.m. PST

So a simple search in google for "3d printing bureau london" gave me a top link that I selected. It seems pricing varied from 10p-18p / cubic cm according to material/quality. Another bureau was quoting 20p.

BTW there are appeared to be many sites offering this service. Without uploading your stl files, you won't get an accurate quote it seems. You may also get hit with "small run" charges.

I do think an end-to-end offering would greatly increase the number of backers and retail sales after go-lve.

SeattleGamer31 Oct 2016 7:49 a.m. PST

3D printing for the masses is still in the early stages. It is not like downloading a 200 page rules PDF and wanting to have it color printed and bound. Easy to get an estimate fort hat type of work from any local printing shop, and the prices will probably be pretty close.

3D printers still have issues. They need to be "dialed in" and then kept that way by monitoring and often, making adjustments. Every time a printed piece is removed from a print bed you have a chance that you mess witht he level of the bed, requiring you do so again. You might not think so, and then the next print comes out lopsided, so you make your corrections and try again.

Lots of potentially wasted plastic on prints that failed.

Also, some "printing hubs" are professionals, who have expanded into the business and can buy stuff in bulk. They will take waste into account when they come up with a price, and their overhead, and salary, etc. Won't be cheap.

Some hubs are "Bob" who started out as a hobby, and now has three printers in his basement. He is just trying to pay off the printers, his prices may be a lot less. No salary, no overhead, just the cost of the plastic and the wear and tear on his machines.

I've backed a number of 3D projects recently, and the mnakers will say things like "based on a $20 USD spool of filament, each dungeon tile piece will cost .50 cents to print on average. So you can do a quick calculation and decide that comes to $5 USD for a large room. Great.

Bob in his basement might charge you $10 USD-15 to account for waste, and shipping. That pro business may charge you $20 USD-$25 to account for other factors.

And now you look at TGHOSE prices and thing no way, that is too expensive for one room of a dungeon (or one building on a street where you need 8 buildings).

I don't see how any of these companies could "pair up" with a hub and have that generate any business, because the extra expenses would turn the terrain pieces from easily affordable to expensive.

Until 3D printing can be like printing paper, easy to do, no hassles, and easy to cost project, this is mostly a do-it-yourself business. For yourself.

The exception might be that if you have several gaming buddies, one may have the desire to be the tech guy, and you all pool your resources to get a printer, back some projects, and start printing terrain.

dayglowill03 Nov 2016 8:11 a.m. PST

What Seattle Gamer said; at present it doesn't seem viable.

To give a real life example of what he was saying, among other things, I've used my 3D printer (bought earlier this year), and Fat Dragon Games Dragonlock Dungeon .stl files to start printing out some dungeon scenery. So far I've completed an 8" x 6" room with a crate and a treasure chest. Cost of PLA about £14.00 GBP, cost of 3D printer £263.00 GBP, total cost £277.00 GBP plus a few pence worth of blue tape, and some electricity. Maybe I've just been lucky, but so far all of my Dragonlock prints have come out fine so no wastage there (wish I could say the same about everything I print!).

I've just had look on Shapeways and building something similar, using pieces from RoosterVision and Bellanger Dungeons available on there, would cost me just over £300.00 GBP

As an aside, I'm really pleased to have worked this out, as I can now truthfully say that there is a measure by which my 3D printer has already paid for itself. Hoorah! laugh

UshCha03 Nov 2016 11:20 a.m. PST

dayglowill has it its not cheap to get stuff 3D printed from a Bureau. They use much more expensive material and printers. They do not use Home budget printers as they are commecially too slow. Some of those prints in th KS may take several houres on a home printer. A 28mm tank would take 5 or 6 hrs on my printer. A 1/144 tank takes best part of 2 hours. This is not a problem at home.
Indications are a passable 3D printer is proably £500.00 GBP possibly less. This is not that many buildings from resin.

Personally we don't have many failures possibly 10% and typicaly they fail very early so very little filamant is wasted.

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