"prussian uhlans in green jackets" Topic

peter bunde's plate 124 has a figure in a green coat.
histoire web site plate has a figure in a green jacket.
does anyone have any information regarding the green uniform?
many thanks inadvance

john

Mounted volunteer jagers perhaps.

Blimey…as the girlfriends used to say….(45 years ago though), that was quick!

Don't you just love this forum for expert input?

Not what they said……

Deadhead, forgive me if I'm talking down, but there would have been a freiwilliger jaeger abteilung attached to each uhlan regiment, nominally with a "holly green" jacket and facing colors to match the base regiment. (Good luck, and I speak as an old sergeant, at making a bunch of kids who had to provide their own uniforms were exactly what the regulation called for.) Anyway, it would be perfectly legitimate to call such a person an "uhlan." He was, after all, part of an uhlan regiment, though he might or might not have had a lance.
Second guess--especially for the 100 days--would be some high-number regiment newly annexed and still wearing the old uniform, but I can't think of one off hand. RGL are green but hussars. von Schill Streifkorps are in red, and Lutzow and that Bremen squadron they picked up are in black. Get me a link to the uniform and I might do
better.
Ah! Wasn't one of the "national cavalry" regiments in green?

And here we go! According to David Nash, The Prussian Army 1808-1815 p. 62, The Pomeranian Light National Cavalry Regiment was "dressed in an Ulan style of uniform." Dark green kollet piped red with white collar, shoulder straps and polish cuffs. In 1815, they were divided between the Guard Dragoons and the 4th Ulans. Nothing else on the 4th Ulans except that the 4th Squadron was from the Prussian National Cavalry Regiment. No mention I can find of them actually carrying lances in the green uniform, but they would have bee uhlans in green jackets.

Mind you without a picture or a detailed description, Rittervonbek is at least as likely to be right.

thank you gents.
sorry i do not have a link (im old and outdated, do not even know how to upload pics. ancient relic springs to mind)

robert if you go to Brigade Uniformtafeln web site then search 124 (link to 1st West-Prussian Uhlan-Regiment).

deadhead yes i love this site for all its expert advice.

RittervonBek sorry but i just do not know.

Bunde is representing the Freiwilligen Jagers assigned to the 1st or 2nd Uhlan. As Nash, cited in the post above, notes regarding such jager formations, "The Freiwilligen Jagers were formed into detachments that were allotted to regular formations" He lists those formations and included are the 1st and 2nd Uhlan. Then he says, "The regulations required that their uniforms should be similar to those of the units to which they were attached but instead of the normal jacket they were to wear holly-green Kollet or Litewka." As I have built the later Prussian army I wondered why the Prussians went to this bother. According to Nash, "The purpose of this was to give the foundation for a military education that would enable these volunteers to fulfill the duties of the NCOs at the later date."

Further to above. I love the Prussian army from 1813 to 1815. So much that is so different and unusual. The David Nash book from Almark is absolutely positively the best book I have (of hundreds) regarding the Napoleonic uniforms of any period or country. I just love this book. Out of print but available at times on Ebay. Just checked and it is listed for $27 USD from seller in Canada (so maybe Canadian dollars?)

Esquire thank you for sharing your knowledge.
at the moment my prussians consist of infantry, 1 reg of guard
2 reg grenadiers, 1 reg musketiers. cavalry 2 reg uhlans and 1 battery of artillery
what does your prussian army consist of?

Before I say, understand that I am 58, collecting since 12 and have -- unfortunately -- inherited collections from dearly departed friends. We game in 28mm – 30mm with General de Brigade. I now must admit that I have dozens of battalions of infantry, probably a dozen cav regts and 10 individual guns with batteries. Yes, I am sick.

Look on line or books with OOB and you will see the perfect brigade to build for this time period -- it is part of the fun. The Prussians often brigaded together one regular infantry regt (2 musk and I fusilier), one reserve regt (usually 2 "musk" and on "fuslier" but could be considered -- based upon unit and skill -- just three standard reserve bns) and then one regt of landwehr (often three bns). There might be a landwehr cavalry regt as part of that brigade. It is just great fun. But yes, in that case, you need to get to 9 bns for the regt -- and have fun understanding the reserve units (which have been covered often on this forum). Depending upon period and brigade, then there might be a grenadier bn. You might be surprised, I've not bother with guard. Just not needed for most games. Enjoy. As I get older, I love the hobby even more.

Stephen Summerfield has a picture of Westfalian Landwehr Freiwilliger Cavarly in 1814 in his post on Acedamia.
They are all dressed in green.

There is also a picture of Pomeranian National Cavalry in the same article.

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oldfarter, my Calpe Prussian army is about 835 figures now.

"Further to above. I love the Prussian army from 1813 to 1815. So much that is so different and unusual. The David Nash book from Almark is absolutely positively the best book "

It was- now in case you cannot read German (Bunde plates) go for the Books by Dr. Summerfield

von Winterfeldt -- my quote was "best of the uniform books I have" -- I've seen reference to the Summerfield books, appreciate the attention to the period and army and should consider getting them.

thank you everyone

esquire you are not sick, just inlove with our hobby.
wrgmr1 thank you for the link i will check it out shortly.

looks like i have a long way to go to build up my army.
on the christmas list is david nash book followed by dr summerfield book and lots of prussian figures

john

Robert P….this is not talking down to me. Thanks! Very informative.

I love the idea of populating an otherwise dull double rank of cavalry with these Freiwilling or Freiwilligner (or some such spelling, forgive me) in a different outfit. Perrys first introduced me to the idea with their Netherlands cavalry. A bunch of posh lads serving in the ranks.

The more I read about "Gentlemen" volunteers in the British Army…the more I realise there is a big untapped resource here for study and modelling