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Tango0125 Oct 2016 9:26 p.m. PST

…new close-air support.

"In the not-too-distant future, when ground troops call for close-air support, the ‘Ghostrider' and its deadly arsenal could come to their rescue.

The AC-130J Ghostrider is set to be the most heavily-armed gunship in history, bristling with 30mm and 105mm cannons, AGM-176A Griffin missiles, and the ability to carry Hellfire missiles and GBU-39 Small Diameter Bombs.

But that's not all.

Some day in the future, the Ghostrider could even be equipped with a high-energy laser.

That's right. Lasers…."
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Bellbottom26 Oct 2016 4:09 a.m. PST

I need (at least) one in 1/300, Aircraft in Miniature, are you taking note please?

Lion in the Stars26 Oct 2016 10:59 a.m. PST

AC130 with Hellfires and a rack of a dozen 250lb smart bombs under the wings?

Yeah, I need one, too.

The problem is, it can still only operate at night or in bad weather. clear skies and daylight make a relatively slow C130 a very attractive target for things like large caliber AA guns.

Tango0126 Oct 2016 12:49 p.m. PST

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Deadles26 Oct 2016 3:43 p.m. PST

The problem is, it can still only operate at night or in bad weather. clear skies and daylight make a relatively slow C130 a very attractive target for things like large caliber AA guns.

Yup.

This the reason why an AC-130 was blown out of the sky in 1991. It lingered into the morning hours and was shot down with the loss of all 14 crew.

In fact you don't want an AC-130 anywhere near a proper air defence system or even in an area full of reasonably advanced MANPADS.

The aircraft is pure COIN.

There's been a few other smaller and cheaper COIN birds out on the market that combined modern tech (including precision strike) with long loiter time.

Cessna AC-208 Combat Caravan (armed with Hellfire ATGMs)

Being used actively in Iraq and Afghanistan.

EMB-314 Super Tucano
Extremely popular Brazilian that has sold well and even won a US competition for light aircraft.

Super Tucanos were apparently instrumental in helping dismantle FARC in Colombia and bringing them to the negotiating table

AT-6C Texan II
Based on US T-6 trainer (itself a development of Swiss PC-9). No export success yet.

CASA AC-235
A Spanish product based on the very successful CN-235 transport plane. Very much a mini-AC-130. Packs Hellfires, 70mm rockets and a 30mm cannon.

2 have been ordered by Royal Jordanian Air Force.

Air Tractor AT802U
Ugly as sin and based on a light agricultural/fire fighting aircraft.
Again packs the universal Hellfire as well as Mk82 bombs, cannon pods, unguided and guided rockets

These have seen combat in Libya and Yemen (primarily UAE).


In all instances these aircraft also pack significant reconnaissance capabilities (usually referred to as ISTAR – information, surveillance, target acquisition, and reconnaissance).


Meanwhile sales of jet aircraft including previously popular armed jet trainers ala Hawk or Alpha Jet has completely declined.

Indeed where once there were MiG-21s or F-5s or Macchi MB326s or AT-33s, there's now usually EMB-314, AC-208 Combat Caravan as well as Mi-25/35 Hind and Mi-17s.

Lion in the Stars29 Oct 2016 11:23 a.m. PST

The advantage for the US is that we have LOTS of C130s in service, so if you do some careful painting of all the ugly warts on a Gunship, it looks like every other C130 when seen from a couple miles away.

Plus we have an established spare parts and maintenance pipeline for them.

I'm still tempted to try and build a dedicated COIN bird using a C130 engine and prop, just to take advantage of all the existing infrastructure for them.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse30 Oct 2016 9:10 a.m. PST

Ghostriders sounds like an aircraft that in COIN situations could be very useful … I like the concept. Always liked the Spectors as well. Remember hearing their firing in the night at Elgin Air Force Base, FL. Seemed like it was just right outside the RANGER Camp at AUX Air Field 6. Neat !!!!

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse30 Oct 2016 4:16 p.m. PST

That's Eglin … damned auto correct !!!! frown

Lion in the Stars31 Oct 2016 11:12 a.m. PST

Indeed where once there were MiG-21s or F-5s or Macchi MB326s or AT-33s, there's now usually EMB-314, AC-208 Combat Caravan as well as Mi-25/35 Hind and Mi-17s.

Yeah, fast-movers look cool, but COIN birds need endurance and payload, not top speed.

The problem with any COIN bird is that they are highly vulnerable to modern MANPADS, and I don't think there's a way to avoid that.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse31 Oct 2016 11:22 a.m. PST

They do have some counter measures … but you still have to be very careful. IIRC, an AC-130 was shoot down in one of the Iraq Wars ?

But I also remember an AC-130 raising Hell in any old 18th century fortress that the Taliban and AQ were held up in, A'stan, 2001, IIRC. I saw the footage … Wow !!!!

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