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olicana17 Oct 2016 2:36 a.m. PST

Well, in for a penny, as they say.

I'm very impressed with the flexible nature in which P&S army lists can be tailored to your own tastes and beliefs. The issues regarding some Italian Wars unit types can be thorny. This is because 'units' were quite often of a more fluidly mixed composition than those of earlier and later periods. You can read more about how I'll define my units for this battle here (and see more pics, and a full OOB). Be warned, I can be quite strident in my views when it comes to the Italian Wars.


I'm not at all sure how some units will work out in practice (having so little experience of the rules in play) but, on the other hand, I've been war gaming (and designing rules and scenarios) for 40 years and that experience must count for something I'm generally pretty good at assessing the value of war game factors.

Have I found a set of rules I really like for the Italian Wars? Hey ho, here we go….


Rich Bliss17 Oct 2016 5:05 a.m. PST

Very nice. You've just about got me convinced to actually buy a copy of Pike and Shotte. You're Colonella basing almost matches my own. The only difference being my Sword and buckler men are integrated on the pike bases. Eagerly awaiting the second game

Puster Sponsoring Member of TMP17 Oct 2016 6:58 a.m. PST

I would say that the Swiss desperately need the "bad war" rule, too, for fighting against the Landsknecht (and vice versa).

I am not yet convinced by the battle mechanics of Pike & Shot, but your games surely make it tasty. Great images…

olicana17 Oct 2016 11:57 a.m. PST

Hi Rich, after this game I will be able to say yes or no to P&S. I think they have great promise and I'm hopeful for them at the basic mechanism level: They are so easily tweaked to taste at the minor level.

Hi Puster, you know I've been looking for the grail for years. I'm not saying P&S is it, but it is a cup of value.

Phillius Sponsoring Member of TMP17 Oct 2016 12:13 p.m. PST

I have been looking for the grail for many years too. And, although my experience with P&S is not as great as I would have wished to date, it looks promising.

olicana17 Oct 2016 12:59 p.m. PST

Hi Phillus, I think the P&S basic mechanisms work very well but, as we both know, the Italian Wars are a very difficult period to game because of the different troop type and SIZE of units. I wonder how far P&S can stretch and I intend to stretch the to the extreme tiny, small, normal, large units are covered (after a fashion) what about HUGE units?

I'm very happy with the basics, as the Bishop said to the lady of disrepute but, what else can you do?

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