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Tango0114 Oct 2016 3:27 p.m. PST

Superb!

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Amicalement
Armand

Brian Smaller14 Oct 2016 4:52 p.m. PST

I saw this interesting thing on crowds and how they can surge and can be subject to catastrophic collapse – when one person goes down hundreds can fall over like a huge domino effect. They looked at Agincourt and how the press of men on unstable ground could have contributed to the defeat of the French.

Ceterman14 Oct 2016 5:13 p.m. PST

That looks COOL! Thanks!

pmwalt14 Oct 2016 7:18 p.m. PST

Pretty nice depiction of the action

Great War Ace15 Oct 2016 7:11 a.m. PST

Impressive modeling. Positioning of the armies is arguably wrong. The archers were not massed in front of the MAAs on the English side. There probably were some archers across the front of the three battles of MAAs, but most were on the flanks, forming "wings" of forward angled archers (I see that "most" of the archers in the diorama are on the wings, but there are too many archers in front, imho).

Also, the diorama shows the English MAAs too deep; they were clearly stated to be only four ranks deep. A puny double row of stakes in front would not stop or even slow down anything. Each archer drove in his stake, resharpened it, then stepped behind the whole "frieze".

The band of stakes was out in front of the archers in a deep placement. To assume that the archers laid their stakes in "close order", and then somehow got back behind their own stakes, is inarguably a silly/stupid assertion…………..

Captain Gideon15 Oct 2016 9:31 a.m. PST

Might anyone know what the scale of the figures is?

Tango0115 Oct 2016 10:23 a.m. PST

Glad you enjoyed it boys!. (smile)
1/72.

Amicalement
Armand

Puster Sponsoring Member of TMP15 Oct 2016 11:07 a.m. PST

Has someone comparison shots with the Agincourt diorama made by the Perrys?

foxweasel15 Oct 2016 11:30 a.m. PST

I thought this was the Perry's 28mm one, currently in the Royal Armouries Leeds.

Perry Miniatures15 Oct 2016 12:50 p.m. PST

Hello, this is indeed the diorama for the Royal Armouries that David Marshall ,my brother Michael and I made. They are all 28mm (not 1/72 Tango) mostly metal (with a few plastic)figures from our range, with a fair few conversions and new figures.
We had a lot of meetings with the Royal Armouries committee, experts in their fields, to work out and nail down what we could from the very little hard evidence. Professor Anne Curry (who has researched the battle for over 15 years, writing the seminal book on the subject in 2005) was always at these meetings and had the last word when it came to the diorama.
On the subject of archers in front of the MMA's, yes we placed a small amount in front who are just about to fall back, you can see some falling back in one of the pictures here up in the right hand corner. There is only a screen of 50 archers in front, the rest of the 1200 odd are on the flanks. If you look at the pictures of the entire battle you'll see them all. There is no hard evidence for how the archers were placed. Some chronicles suggest (only suggest) they were in front and on the flanks others (only suggest) just on the flanks. But there is no hard evidence either way.
There is evidence from Gesta, talking of an engagement earlier at Corbie, which says there were stakes placed in front ‘in line abreast' as well as in between the archers which is what we've portrayed. It's a little difficult to see the ones in between because of the massed archers. But with most things to do with Agincourt nothing is certain.
The 4 rank deep for the English MMAs is suggested later in Titus Livius although Anne found a mention of a deeper formation, but I can't remember where from.
So a lot of research was thrown at this even before we started placing figures.

Tango0115 Oct 2016 11:14 p.m. PST

Sorry for the mistake my friend… (smile)

Congrats for the superb work!


Amicalement
Armand

Puster Sponsoring Member of TMP16 Oct 2016 1:58 a.m. PST

Well, a good reason to visit Leeds :-)

Great War Ace17 Oct 2016 8:42 a.m. PST

Actually, the four ranks of English MAAs is from the Gesta, a specific statement. Regardless of these detail arguments, that is a cracking diorama!

French Wargame Holidays22 Oct 2016 4:10 p.m. PST

Yes after seeing it last year I was most impressed having walked the feild several times. Yet to start my 100 yrs war armies, but as this battle is so well documented I plan to build the losing French though

FaultedBill14 Dec 2021 6:33 p.m. PST

I'm in awe!

MrZorro17 Dec 2021 2:14 p.m. PST

Fantastic work, total eye candy. Congratulations to Perry Miniatures for this effort and the great explanation in their post.

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