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Lance Flint14 Oct 2016 4:48 a.m. PST

"Gott mit uns!" Is released today via eBay.
They are simple and fast paced rules based on a grid system of squares and suitable for any figure scale. Designed to capture the feel of the period and allowing two or more players to refight the largest of battles in an evening.
They will soon be available from Magister Militum and at Warfare in november.

arthur181514 Oct 2016 6:16 a.m. PST

Will they be equally suitable for the typical, much smaller, battles of the ECW?

Lance Flint14 Oct 2016 6:33 a.m. PST

Yes, they work equally well for both. The principle difference being the smaller sized units in the ECW and their shallower formations.
So the large Tercios and Brigades of the TYW are much more durable, but then again also take bigger hits from other large units. The small ECW infantry regiments and brigades are relatively more fragile, and frequently lack the quality found on the continent.

Red Dragon 4414 Oct 2016 8:19 a.m. PST

Looked on eBay. Cannot find them.

Lance Flint14 Oct 2016 9:21 a.m. PST

They are there!


If you type in the item number above it takes your search straight to the item. Having problems with a better link, sorry!
In the Tabletop/Histoircal. Wargames Rules, 29 days to go.

Hope that helps?

bruntonboy14 Oct 2016 9:40 a.m. PST

Are these the same rules that have been knocking around the web before by the same name- a more polished version. Or maybe a new set?

dwight shrute14 Oct 2016 9:44 a.m. PST


maybe if you had gott mit uns ecw/tyw wargames rules as the title of the sale ? the present title wargames rules may a bit too generic ?

Red Dragon 4414 Oct 2016 9:52 a.m. PST

Found them. I was searching "Gott mit uns!". Could you say more about the mechanics. And are army lists included?

Lance Flint14 Oct 2016 10:03 a.m. PST

Hi there,
Nothing but brand new work from myself, having been inspired by reading of Prof. Guthries books.
Yes the eBay title could be better, will change that ASAP, thanks.
There are three example army lists from the TYW to show gamers the outline of a Bohemian, imperialist and Swedish army.
One unit per grid square, scale for Foote of 150 men to a strength point, E Tercios are about 12 strength points strong.
Different types of unit move differently and, those that can, shoot with greater or lesser numbers.
You always test to move, but can do so in Linies Of Bataille, either of a Foote or Horse.
Horse always pursue until rallied. No unit morale , just strength points to indicate combat power and the will to carry on fighting!
Generals are useful for both leading units and Inspiring them in combat.

Personal logo GreyONE Sponsoring Member of TMP Inactive Member14 Oct 2016 10:46 a.m. PST

$22.52 USD to ship a game book that costs $9.14 USD.

GildasFacit Sponsoring Member of TMP14 Oct 2016 11:50 a.m. PST

I get £11.73 GBP to ship to the USA but, as usual, the postal calculations grossly overestimate postage outside the country of origin.

Remember also that the system assumes it to be fully tracked and insured – that would be a minimum of £9.55 GBP for a booklet 100-250g plus any packaging and fees.

Just having it sent normal airmail would still be £5.00 GBP plus packing.

arthur181514 Oct 2016 2:00 p.m. PST

I forgot to ask: how many pages in total? And how many pages cover the ECW?

Lance Flint14 Oct 2016 2:24 p.m. PST

27 pages in total, which includes two for the QPS.
Fighting the Battle is just six pages.
There is no major split between the Wars, rather this is generated through the different unit types available to the respective periods.
I am quite happy to send a PDF copy for £5.00 GBP Some postal charges are horrible!

Black Cavalier14 Oct 2016 4:51 p.m. PST

No, I don't need them, my hands aren't cold enough.

Personal logo GreyONE Sponsoring Member of TMP Inactive Member14 Oct 2016 5:18 p.m. PST

I am quite happy to send a PDF copy for £5.00 GBP GBP

I would prefer a PDF copy. I am looking to get into English Civil War, just looking for game rules.

Lance Flint14 Oct 2016 5:32 p.m. PST

That's fine.
Please contact me at

Personal logo Narratio Supporting Member of TMP14 Oct 2016 9:22 p.m. PST

The shipping costs of pretty much any rule set are a major driver in the change to PDF and print yourself activities.

PIPERS16 Oct 2016 11:40 a.m. PST

Hi. It looks interesing. I have to many miniatures un 1/72 scale and 12x12 for tercios and 12x6 for pike&dhoot. The cavalry i use various measures. What are the measures for your game?
I wait a good review

Lance Flint16 Oct 2016 1:07 p.m. PST

Hi Pipers,
The rules can use any size of miniatures as only one unit ever fully occupies one square of the battlefield.
For 2mm units that are based on a 4cms square base then battlefield squares of 5 cms square are fine.
Using 15mm figures I use a unit of 8cms frontage in 10cms squares.
All Firing and movement is therefore measured in squares!
Yes, trying to get some reviews done. The Pike and Shot Society have a copy and have agreed to do a review.
I will try and encourage some colleagues to write up something soon in this thread.
Regards, Lance.

PIPERS16 Oct 2016 1:55 p.m. PST

And how works for 16 century? I love italian wars

Lance Flint16 Oct 2016 2:06 p.m. PST

It hasn't been tested for that all, mainly because of my limited knowledge of that period.
However I think the system is potentially very transferable as the system is driven by each specific unit type and the mechanics are all simple and transparent.

PIPERS17 Oct 2016 10:17 a.m. PST

Ok. I hope test your game. I'm gonba to begin to paint 1/72 for italianos wars

PIPERS21 Oct 2016 3:38 p.m. PST

I readed the game and i like. But any idea to use whitout use

Lance Flint23 Oct 2016 12:51 p.m. PST

Very glad that you like the rules.
Of course you can do without the squares, although these greatly simplify the game.
Without them just use a movement unit that suits your figure scale, so Foote move, say 6cms then Horse could move 6cms twice.
Keeping the gaps between units is more awkward, but use a gap the same as your basic movement unit.

Callan24 Nov 2016 1:30 p.m. PST

I get £11.73 GBP GBP to ship to the USA but, as usual, the postal calculations grossly overestimate postage outside the country of origin.

But that is what comes up on the payment page, unless seller sends you a revised invoice. Which eBay may or may not let you contact him and ask for.

Personally I can't fathom why sellers use the insanely expensive (Pitney Bowes) Global Shipping Programme, which costs at least double of regular mail and often involves a convoluted trek to some collection point instead of getting it in the mailbox. The only time it is to your advantage is when ordering expensive items which would incur local VAT and customs handling charges.

Lance Flint25 Nov 2016 10:06 a.m. PST

Hi Callan,
Yes international postage is an expensive pain.
I am quite happy to send a PDF copy, for £5.00 GBP, to anyone who is interested.
Regards, Lance

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