| Tgunner | 12 Oct 2016 4:23 p.m. PST |
Round two anyone??? link This time it was just one missile. How much longer before the Navy takes its gloves off? Also, I think we're getting a feel for one of two things: 1. Houthi missiles just plain suck, or… 2. Houthi missile crews/fire control suck, or… 3. Navy defenses are pretty good! I imagine that there are a lot of people wearing brass hats watching this little "test of arms" very carefully and making plans for the future. |
| Tgunner | 12 Oct 2016 4:29 p.m. PST |
Ooops! Sorry Tango, I didn't see your original post. |
| Winston Smith | 12 Oct 2016 4:29 p.m. PST |
4. It's just a test to gauge our reaction, or to goad us into over reacting. |
| 14Bore | 12 Oct 2016 4:34 p.m. PST |
2 months ago when I started at a renovation at a University library I saw in the rare book section what I was surd was a Union Officers frock coat. The guy I was workjng with talked me out of going in and asking about it. Well today I saw a Professor looking guy at the desk inside, so I knocked and he motioned me to come in. I told him since I had been there fonding out about the owner of it was bugging me. He told me it was William Tecumseh Sherman's coat worn in the Atlanta Campaign. I told him I was sure what it was just wondered who the owner was. He was happy to tell me and talked my ear off for five minutes. I told him when I was leaving that made my day. |
| 15mm and 28mm Fanatik | 12 Oct 2016 5:09 p.m. PST |
The missile missed, but the bug didn't. |
| Tgunner | 12 Oct 2016 5:09 p.m. PST |
Man, the bug is working over time today….where's the Raid??? |
robert piepenbrink  | 12 Oct 2016 5:44 p.m. PST |
Trick is staying in the band between passivity and over-reaction. If you do nothing, you're convincing the locals that trying to kill Americans is clean, safe fun. That's not fair to the Navy, and it's not even fair to the locals. When they finally DO manage to sink a US ship, we'll kill a lot more people than if we'd just left a smoking hole where the missile launcher was the first time. Napoleon said something to the effect that firing canister over the heads of a mob was criminal. It taught the mob to ignore the guns, and in the end you'd have to kill more of them. Welcome to the 21st Century, where good intentions are supposed to take the place of clear thinking. |
| Mako11 | 12 Oct 2016 5:49 p.m. PST |
Might as well bring them home, and let the crews have their liberties. |
| Mithmee | 12 Oct 2016 6:08 p.m. PST |
How much longer before the Navy takes its gloves off? Right now a very long time. We could lose a Destroyer with all hands lost and still will not be doing anything about it. |
| GarrisonMiniatures | 13 Oct 2016 1:17 a.m. PST |
link Looks like there has been a reaction: 'U.S.-launched Tomahawk cruise missiles destroyed three coastal radar sites in Houthi-controlled territory on Yemen's Red Sea Coast early Thursday, officials said, a retaliatory action that followed two incidents this week in which missiles were fired at U.S. Navy ships.' |
| robert piepenbrink | 13 Oct 2016 4:39 a.m. PST |
Saw that. Nothing like a cruise missile to tell the kiddies creative playtime is over. Since I'm sometimes loudly critical of my political betters, I'd like to be explicit that this looks just about right: the Houthi got one free shot, but not two, and the strike looks to have been as free of civilian deaths as we could make it. |
 Legion 4  | 13 Oct 2016 7:56 a.m. PST |
IMO, this USN reaction in self-defense was not only warranted but expected. Iran got away with playing chicken with their little boats. That did not get the desired result to provoke the US. This was their escalation. The Houthis don't have the ability to use these weapons. And were probably supplied by Iran and most likely crewed by IRGC. |
| Col Durnford | 13 Oct 2016 9:25 a.m. PST |
I guess the Houthis should be glad they didn't target a Russian ship. |
| DeRuyter | 13 Oct 2016 9:57 a.m. PST |
Right now a very long time.We could lose a Destroyer with all hands lost and still will not be doing anything about it. or not. |
| Legion 4 | 13 Oct 2016 2:48 p.m. PST |
I guess the Houthis should be glad they didn't target a Russian ship.
Indeed … they are not as "circumspect" as the US … |
| Khusrau | 14 Oct 2016 11:52 a.m. PST |
"This was their escalation. The Houthis don't have the ability to use these weapons. And were probably supplied by Iran and most likely crewed by IRGC." You do know that most of the Yemeni armed forces, including the missile forces, are supporters of the 'Houthi' (which is a somewhat derogatory term for opponents of the current (Saudi-imposed) President). No reason to suppose that the Iranians were in any way involved. |
| Legion 4 | 14 Oct 2016 12:01 p.m. PST |
Does it matter who was firing on you ? And my comments were based on intel reports from the US military, etc. … Not Khusrau intel … Regardless Houthi, Yemeni rebels, IRGC, Martians, etc., since none are ID'd as "friendlies", and you have been repeatedly fired upon. It seems to me … returning fire was the appropriate response. But my $$$$ is still on Iran having something to do with this based on their past actions. And support of other islamist terrorist rebel insurgent groups, etc., … And again, US intel, military, etc., sources. |
| Legion 4 | 15 Oct 2016 6:45 a.m. PST |
I saw again on the news a Ret. US Army Intel Officer, IIRC, a LTC. Gave the same evaluation of the Houthi/Iran link as I did. And I had heard the same previously and have repeated it. From again, more US military and intel sources. As it made sense to me, etc., based again, all I know about Iran and their support of islamists, etc., … No reason to suppose that the Iranians were in any way involved.
Again, this comment IMO is false, based on the US sources I mentioned. As well as my own research, knowledge, etc., … |
| Tgunner | 15 Oct 2016 7:45 a.m. PST |
@ Khusrau One possible problem with your stance on Iran. Some sources on-line are saying that the SSMs being used by Yemen are C-802s. You might know something that I don't know, but from what I've see on-line Yemen doesn't have a supply of C-802 missiles. I was just looking at a list of SSMs that Yemen's SSM brigade operates and I don't see the C-802 on the list, nor do I see Yemen being listed as a nation that China exported the C-802 to. Here's what Global Security says about their equipment holdings: link Iran, on the other hand, widely operates the C-802 in both land based batteries and on their frigates. This article has compelling evidence that the missile used on the Swift was the C-802. link So the question I have is: do you have information on Yemen operating the C-802 or does Yemen have missiles that have a close enough profile that would make the Navy think they are being targeted by a C-802? If not then there is a pretty fair reason to suppose that Iran had a bit to do with this. |
| Legion 4 | 16 Oct 2016 10:04 a.m. PST |
A Ret. US ARMY General [3 or 4 Star ?] on the news just said again about Iran's support for the Houthi rebels. etc. … I strongly feel he is a very reliable source, IMO … And again, it does not really matter who is shooting at you. Just that they are … |
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