Formerly 298TYR | 12 Oct 2016 3:08 p.m. PST |
Has anyone got any information on the organisation of the Heavy Tank Regiments of the GSFG Heavy Tank Divisions during the 1960's ? Found one reference in the US Military Liaison Mission annual reports of ISU-152 being reported, and wondered if the heavy tank regiments of the heavy divisions were "pure" tank or a mix of heavy tank and SU ? |
Onomarchos | 12 Oct 2016 5:56 p.m. PST |
Heavy Tank Battalion x 3 ---------------------------------------- Bttn HQ: 1x Is-III or T-10 or T-10M, 1x ISU-T ARV, 1x BTR-50PU 3 Companies@ CHQ: 1x Is-III or T-10 or T-10M 3 platoons@ 3x Is-III or T-10 or T-10M Ref MicroMark |
jekinder6 | 13 Oct 2016 7:11 a.m. PST |
Early 1960's medium tank and MR regiments had an ISU battery. The heavy tank regiments were all T-10 or IS-3M. The old SPI boardgame "Red Star- White Star" still had them in use in the early 1970's. |
Vostok17 | 13 Oct 2016 11:04 a.m. PST |
Hello, Formerly 298TYR! Heavy Tank Division (1957 pattern) – 3 tank regiment (65 tanks T-10, IS-3 or IS-2) and a separate tank battalion training (5 tanks). Artillery in heavy tank divisions absent until 1962-1963. ISU – in separate tank battalions, which receives the T-10 after the disbanding of heavy armored divisions. |
Mako11 | 13 Oct 2016 12:29 p.m. PST |
Some of the references I've seen mention 5 x heavy tanks per unit (not sure if they called them platoons, or companies), and perhaps several of those in a group, e.g. 10 total tanks, IIRC, for the T-10s. Perhaps there were a couple of those in the unit for 20 – 21 per organization (battalion, IIRC), like back in WWII. |
Formerly 298TYR | 14 Oct 2016 3:53 p.m. PST |
Thanks for the replies everyone, especially UsmanK again ! If I am reading that correctly the Heavy Tank Divisions of the 1960's would have had 3 x Tank Regiments, maybe a Motor-Rifle Regiment and a Separate/Independent ISU Battalion ? |
Vostok17 | 15 Oct 2016 2:18 a.m. PST |
Hello, Formerly 298TYR! According to Kolomiets (Top Secret T-10: last Stalin's supertank, M.:2016), after reorganisation (in 1960-1963)Heavy Tank division had 3 TR, 1 Motorised rifle bataillon, 1 artillery (may be SPG or towed) bat., 1 rocket (probably Luna) bat. and 1 MLRS battery. About tank regiments with ISU – he named as "Heavy tank-SPG regiments" (2 bat of heavy tanks (21 per bat), 1 bat of SPG (21 per bat) + 2 heavy tanks in HQ), and were part of the standart mechanised and tank divisions in 1940-1960s. Plus in 1961 begin formation of the separate tank battalions of the army subordination (2 SPG comp and 1 tank comp). They have outdated IS tanks, ISU SPG and T-10 (after disbanding of Heavy TD). |
Formerly 298TYR | 16 Oct 2016 6:00 a.m. PST |
UsmanK, many thanks once again for your input. The US Military Liaison Mission annual report of 1968 mentions seeing an ISU-152 in the Prenzlau area. I was trying to figure out what unit would have operated that equipment so late in the 1960's. That led me to think maybe a unit of 25 Tank Heavy Tank Division, but that reverted to a standard tank division in 1967 I think. If it was from a separate tank battalion of army subordination this would make sense – and these I believe were later joined to form the Army-level Independent Tank Regiments. There is information available on line for up to Divisional level organisations for the 1960's but very little available for Army and Group level. |
Vostok17 | 16 Oct 2016 8:15 a.m. PST |
Hello, Formerly 298TYR! 25th Heavy TD reverted to a standard tank division only in march-noviember 1968. And about ISU – a lot of options here. It could be not considered SPG (but still in unit), or ARV on the basis of the ISU-152 (I personally saw one of this somewhere in 2005 on the railway – it is still working; from combat vehicle differs only in the absence of guns). In addition, it could be the SPG from the training units – there were very long time (100% were in the 97th training tank regiment in Altengrabow in the late 1970s). |
Formerly 298TYR | 16 Oct 2016 10:59 a.m. PST |
Again, many thanks for the quick reply and information UsmanK. Wish I could find out more regarding the organisation in the early – mid 1960's for GSFG at Army level. It is like trying to piece together a huge jigsaw. Do you know how many of these Separate Tank Battalions there were per Army. It seems more than 1 due to the number of them hinted in publications and web sites. |
Vostok17 | 16 Oct 2016 12:23 p.m. PST |
Hello, Formerly 298TYR! Separate battalions by the end of 1960s there were more than 20. By the way, according to other sources, by the end of 1960s in these battalions were 4 tank companies and 70 tanks per BN. In general, it is worth remembering one important thing – the unification in the Soviet Army meant a large number of variants of units that from the outside it looks like a mess. |