"Military Force Alone Can Never Defeat Terrorism" Topic

"Ahmad Khan Rahami nearly became a household name. Instead, he will likely fade from memory.

The 28-year old naturalized American citizen stands accused of placing four different bombs across New York and New Jersey. One of those devices exploded as intended on September 17, injuring 29 people. Another was placed nearby, possibly intended to injure people fleeing from the first explosion, but it did not go off. Another, discovered earlier that day in Ocean County, New Jersey, near the start of a charity run to benefit the U.S. Marine Corps, misfired, resulting in no injuries, but triggered memories of the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing that killed three people and wounded 280. A fourth device was found in Elizabeth, New Jersey, near a train station and a busy pub.

To say that America got lucky is an understatement…"

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Like most enemies it will take all aspects of DIME in varying amounts.

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I-Informational
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E-Economic

Terrorism will always be around. It can be minimized but will never entirely go away…

"terrorism" is a mode of action/ a way of war sort of just like amphibious actions or air strikes.
War on terrorism is a politician/media thing; you don't make war to a concept of action but those who use it.
You can defeat those who use it, via military actions, covert ops, police, getting at those who feed, finance arm and inspire the adepts (which we don't).

Yes, I don't think anyone believes that military action alone will be totally effective. As COL Scott and Jcfrog has posted. And I have been saying as well as for some time.

However, I am a strong advocate that military actions is part of the equation. I know it seems some disagree …

Perhaps not, but killing the terrorist does manage to put a major crimp in their recidivism rate.

Yes, I don't see removing islamists terrorists jihadis from the battlefield a bad thing …

Allowing them to invade your country is certainly not the best way to lessen the attacks.

I'm with jcfrog.

We didn't declare a war against the Blitzkrieg or Maneuver Warfare in 1941.

Historically we are looking at another resurgence of Islam attempting to use whatever methods it can to implement and force it's ideology on the rest of the world. They will use any conventional, terrorism, subversion, legal and cultural tactics as an end to their means. They do not acknowledge or respect any of the West's laws or values.

Right now using the ignorance of Western Culture and their laws of free speech has enabled them to land more followers of Islam into Europe in the last 5 years as in the last 500 years while eliminating a large % of Christians in Islamic territories.

Islam has a goal to take over the West. Many in the West have a goal of letting it happen as they are allied with Islam in their hatred of the West's traditional values.

I find it all very strange.

Wolfhag

That mission to Mars might be a good way to get the hell out of here, depending on who else is going.

Islam has a goal to take over the West. Many in the West have a goal of letting it happen as they are allied with Islam in their hatred of the West's traditional values.

That may be very true. Many/Most in the West are willing to coexist. But it seems some/many islamists are not (?). Peaceful Coexistence only works if all sides agree to do so …

Islam has always been willing to coexist with "people of the Book". Trouble has always been that, Islam marginalizes non Muslims, through taxation, cultural slights, indignities, social pressures on the young, etc. Eventually, sooner rather than later, the vast majority of the "infidel" become part of Islam. If Europeans have no problem with becoming Muslim, I see no problem either. Either move out of the way or join……………

That unfortunately is how I understood that many fundamentalist moslems think. But I don't believe at all that most/many moslems feel that way. Especially that don't live in the Mid East, Africa, etc., … but in the West. However, as we see … this is not always the case …

Wolfhag wrote:

Historically we are looking at another resurgence of Islam attempting to use whatever methods it can to implement and force it's ideology on the rest of the world. They will use any conventional, terrorism, subversion, legal and cultural tactics as an end to their means. They do not acknowledge or respect any of the West's laws or values.

Right now using the ignorance of Western Culture and their laws of free speech has enabled them to land more followers of Islam into Europe in the last 5 years as in the last 500 years while eliminating a large % of Christians in Islamic territories.

Islam has a goal to take over the West. Many in the West have a goal of letting it happen as they are allied with Islam in their hatred of the West's traditional values.

So, what do you suggest? Are you advocating a global religious war against an expanding Islam. Would you convert them to more acceptable creeds by sword/gun/missile or simply kill them? Mass deportation and ethnic cleansing? Do you consider the implications of a global religious war? Perhaps I am reading more into your words than you intended, but having defined the problem as you seemed to have done, what is the proper solution?

Cheers.
Rod Robertson.

I too may be reading more into Wolf's post. But as I posted … you and only coexist if all side want to. I don't see all followers of islam feel that way. And it seems those that don't feel like that … appear to not care. For a varity of reasons. Some going back decades and even centuries.

what is the proper solution?

As long as the situation remains as it is with islam and the West … there is no solution.