Help support TMP


"Standards of Edward IV" Topic


7 Posts

All members in good standing are free to post here. Opinions expressed here are solely those of the posters, and have not been cleared with nor are they endorsed by The Miniatures Page.

Please use the Complaint button (!) to report problems on the forums.

For more information, see the TMP FAQ.


Back to the Medieval Discussion Message Board


Areas of Interest

Medieval

Featured Hobby News Article


Featured Link


Top-Rated Ruleset

Retinue


Rating: gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star 


Featured Showcase Article

Fighting 15's Teutonic Order Command 1410

Command figures for the 1410 Teutonics.


Featured Workbench Article

Painting a 15mm Tibetan DBA Army: The Cavalry

Don't let the horses daunt you!


Featured Movie Review


879 hits since 23 Sep 2016
©1994-2024 Bill Armintrout
Comments or corrections?

maverick290923 Sep 2016 1:14 p.m. PST

Hello TMP! So I've been on a War of the Roses kick over the last year. I've been assembling a Yorkist army and reading some history. One thing I've come to find quite difficult is to explain and pinpoint the different standards of Edward IV. I've identified 4 different standards so far:

-black bull standard
-gold lion standard
-white lion standard
-white rose in sun splendor standard

If you all need pictures I can post some. I've collected all those standards in 15mm. My question is, when did he use which standard (if he even used them all).

I have two command stands that will represent Edward. One I want to use to represent him at Towton, the other at Barnet. I'd just like some more history as to when he used which standard and which ones I should use for my Edward IV command. Thanks guys!

Stanton

chrisminiaturefigs23 Sep 2016 1:39 p.m. PST

Im sure the white lion with white roses standard was used by him when Earl of March, around the time of battle of Mortimers cross.

At Barnet i would say gold lion.

Possibly Black bull at Towton.

Not 100% sure but others will hopefully add there know how!

Yesthatphil23 Sep 2016 1:43 p.m. PST

Flag or Swallow Tail?

Phil
(P.S. I think the black bull is usually associated with Towton)

maverick290923 Sep 2016 2:07 p.m. PST

Swallow tail standards. I had a feeling the bull standard was what he used at Towton so I'll go with that one for one of the stands. Still not sure about the Barnet standard. I'm torn between the white lion and the white rose. I've seen both used in multiple places.

Leadpusher Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2016 2:20 p.m. PST

I heard he had very low standards.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2016 3:34 p.m. PST

For shame, Leadpusher! I'm sure he had the finest companions money could buy. And he married at least one of them.

Not my best period, but I do remember the fuss at Barnet because someone's "Star with Streams" badge was confused with Edward's "Sun in Splendor" which is not proof that he was flying the "Sun in Splendor" at Barnet, but does suggest as much. And multiple standards are not unprecedented.

maverick290923 Sep 2016 4:42 p.m. PST

Very true Robert! That's how Edward won Barnet! I hadn't considered that before.

Sorry - only verified members can post on the forums.