"Book of Grudges" Topic

Please chronicle your problems with 40K on this thread. Remember to try to sway your audience.

Example:

O,
In the year xxxx prior to the Emperor of Mankind, I was wronged by (Insert Name and recount/lament deeds that have offended).

Mallemen,
Good try but I doubt you can lure Mithmee here. We have been plagued by his incessant GW whining and bashing for well over a decade and I think he gets some sort of weird validation out of it.

Well, I figured it would be nice to have his grudges organized and cataloged. His saga maybe an interesting read.

It would be nice to understand when he turned his path against the Emperor.

In the 21st century l was price gouged out of 40k by gw

I do have a very long list of grudges. So what I will do is list just a few.

So will add 1-2 grudges everyday.

First, In the late 1990's GW Nerf'd the range of the Eldar Shuriken Catapults from 24" down to 12".

This basically made Guardians & Dire Avengers units that you did not want to have in your army.

Gave raise to Mech Eldar

Second, In 1997 GW came out with their 3rd Edition of EPIC 40K. These rules were lousy and within 6-7 months support for it was stopped.

Thus GW killed off EPIC

This is a good start!!

Where the Eldar changed because of the introduction of the Tau?

Good news on Epic with the reintroduction!!

GW killed the Squats.

Definitely one for a book of grudges.

I resent that GW made a great game system (40K) that has turned me into an addict that spends discretionary income on toys, devours everything written about 40K, and has led me to devote hours to wargaming rather than family, career, and other more publicly acceptable activities.

Oh, for shame, GW, for shame!

I thought that the Squats were destroyed by the Tyranids.

True line of sight.

The reason I still play 4th edition.

I understand why they brought in TLOS: those lovely contoured Realm of Battle boards make no sense without it, but the rest of the rules suffered as a result.

It meant I no longer owned a hill that had both:-
1.a sufficiently slight gradient to stand figures on;
and
2.sufficient height to conceal a snotling's little sister.

It also confirmed once and for all that ground scale and vertical scale were one and the same, leaving me struggling to believe in a universe dominated by high-tech weaponry with effective ranges on the wrong side of 70 metres.

Suddenly throwing rocks and pointy sticks became incredibly cost-effective (shame they weren't in the codex.)

Btw, is this purely a 40K thread, or may I have a rant about over-keen staff who make the GW shopping experience akin to a visit to one of the worse kind of evangelical churches run by Disneystore employees?

"I thought that the Squats were destroyed by the Tyranids."

…but they were sent by GW…

Tyranids = gw lawyers

Where the Eldar changed because of the introduction of the Tau?

That brings us to the next Grudge.

While Nerf'ing the hell out of the Eldar GW creates the Tau and give them a 30" Str 5/AP5 weapon.

What the hell? The Shuriken Catapult was only a Str 4/AP5 weapon but it gets its range gutted down to 12".

This is a major Grudge.

GW have spent 20 years telling their customers what they want. If any amount of customers say, "no, we want this", they are told, "no, you are mistaken".

They made an Official Proclamation stating that they killed the squats because noone wanted them, they were hokey, and they didn't "fit" the 40K universe. Bear witness to My Grudgery:

1. The RT list was a weak, poorly-pointed mess. I have no idea how they justified at least a third of the Brotherhood Squad's points cost (it's probably more than that, I have since forgotten). Then they spent years ignoring their 2e refit, and there was no wide release of new models. So most 40k gamers just forgot about them. Those that didn't were all pretty much told to off and get a life. I can personally vouch for the fact that their PR throughout the 90's and 00's is absolutely abysmal (I have no idea about now).

2. Tau do not fit the 40K universe either, but anime sells, and apparently so do they, so I guess they're OK with that particular bit of hypocrisy.

3. Space elves and space orcs are perfectly original SciFi, but once you throw space dwarves in, you've gone and made things silly. Nobody wants space dwarves.

Oh, wait, it looks like they do. Once again, Mantic to the rescue (and Hasslefee, etc).

Okay back to Nerf'ing of the Eldar.

So since they (GW) hated that Eldar characters had Toughness 4 they changed this down to Toughness 3 so that they could be killed outright by a Str 6 Weapon.

GW gave us the Force Composition Chart, which brought the era of Min/Max.

Max 2 Headquarters
Max 3 Elites
Min 2 Troops
Max 3 Fast Attack
Max 3 Heavy Support

WAAC'ers quickly learned how to take the minimum number of troops with the least amount of points so that they can Max out as many Elites, Heavy Support and Fast Attack with which ever one that help them to most.

Another Major Grudge

So for them (GW) to speed up the game they changed the movement to 6" with another assault move of 6".

So units could move a total of 12 inches which just so happen to be the range that they nerf'd the Eldar Shuriken Catapult to.

They really did get to hate Eldar who were armed with that weapon.

This put the Life expediency of these troops down to not very long. Since many players learned to put their troops into Transports and move the transport, dismount and then charge into the Guardians/Dire Avengers who more than likely never fired a shot.

These type of troops basically disappeared until GW threw Eldar that bone with giving Dire Avengers an additional 6".

Another Major Grudge

Continuing on with the Eldar.

Since they (GW) did not want Eldar to shoot far when they nerf'd them they also took away their ability to have Las Guns.

Which when the Eldar were put out in White Dwarf 127 they first had to field an unit of Las Gun armed Guardians and a Storm Squad (Close Assault) before they could get a squad of Guardians armed with Shuriken Catapults.

But nope they made sure that Guardians will become useless by only having a 12" weapon. Oh and this 12" works out to be around 84 feet give or take.

This is a very Major Grudge.

So there once was a time where fielding Storm Squads of Guardians was something that many players did.

But with the changes that GW put into the game quickly put a stop to that because they sucked.

These changes also saw other Eldar troops to disappear as well, as in most of the Aspect Warriors squads.

This is another Major Grudge

We will get back to 40K but now for some EPIC.

So with the 3rd Edition EPIC GW made it so that a Eldar Farseer was nearly Double the point cost of Marines Characters but did not get any type of save.

Another major grudge

More from EPIC…

So Eldar Titans had no type of Shield due to that they were suppose to be hard to hit but if you use a barrage weapon you would hit them.

Needless to say that due to this Eldar Titans were usually dead by the end of turn 1.

Once watch a teammate's four Titans get blown to bits before in less than a turn due to this.

Major Grudge

GW killed off:

Necromunda

GW killed off:

Man-O-War

GW killed off:

Warmaster

GW killed off:

Squats

GW killed off:

WFB

Anyone who hates Tau, I will gladly call "Brother", in spite of any differences we may have had.

Tau are nothing but a big obscene finger gesture to everything 40k stands for.

Not only that, their battlesuit designs are an insult to anime mecha.

Poorly done anime pastiche fishpeople who ruin the intentionally archaic grimdark 40k rules of war with their flying wonderbots and floating fortresses, with a society literally immune to the influence of Chaos and are therefore entirely removed from the themes of despair, hubris, decay, and corruption that are at the core of the setting wherever Orks are not involved.

Why is the song Shiney Happy People now playing? Anyway, I always kinda liked the Tau's helmets.

Mithmee, if you have any extra bits from your Forge Fathers, send them my way, I will use them on my Tyranid bases.

Also, are your last five post Mortal or Venial? Also, you said 1-2 post per day, you may want to pace yourself, don't blow a gasket. Please keep your health in mind.

For a discussion of Frostgrave minis versus GW minis (cost, quality etc.) go here…
TMP link

(It actually was a pretty good discussion so may not qualify as a grudge. But will save time if it comes up again.)

Haha 40k grudges, alright:

As a wee lad, with boundless enthusiasm for 40k 2nd, I took a shining to the Squats, and actually had an army, loved hacking up greenskins with those little dudes…
Then,that's right, I literally got 'squatted'.

Unswayed, due to my love o playing with little metal men from space, I persevered and got an Eldar army. Which I loved to bits. An Alaitoc scout force, still have it…
Then 3rd edition happened (12" SCs, T 3 … ect). Which, admit it, really was one of the worst 'nerfings' of any army.

I'm fairly good humored about it, I still love gaming…but yeah, all that kinda sucked.

TheGaffer,

Yes I posted nearly all of the miniatures in that thread, but for some individuals GW can do no wrong and their miniatures are far better than any other miniature manufacturer.

Back to the grudges.

Other players gaming the rules in their favor like trying to turn the Hydra Sword into a unit killing weapon.

Thus trying to give themselves more attacks then their character had.

Major Grudge

Now the stupid idiots that over saw certain events not knowing a clue about the rules would agree with the above WAAC'ers.

Very Major Grudge

Too much special rules, back in 5th there were just a handful now we have like 50 pages

When greedy sweatshop forced my flgs to buy their over priced glue, tape measures and expect us to buy them at fan boy prices. Seen many a bottle of gw ova glue collect dust.

Sorry pva. Second, the damn screw tops on the paints. Not to mention inconsistent quality with each subsequent "new" line.

Apparently comic book companies are on someone's grudge list too.

Putting out new edition after new edition of the rules, with radical changes in each (this is the all-assault edition, this is the shooty edition, this is the heroes rule the field edition, instead of fine-tuning the rules until they really work right. At the same time, putting out edition after edition of codices, even thought almost all of the codices have serious flaws.

The real codex sin is when there are only one or two units that are worth taking, or there are units that no one ever bothers to take. Three-Helldrake CSM lists because everything else in CSM is so, so bad. No Carnifexes for the Tyranids because they're just not worth it.

By contrast, FFG realized that the TIE Advanced x1 (Vader's TIE) wasn't competitive and no one was using it. They eventually put out a supplement that offered free and near-free upgrade cards to the x1 that made it usable and fun! (Admittedly, the supplement was expensive because it included a huge ship, and you're only supposed to use actually, official cards in tournaments, but in casual games you can just print out some images and pretend.) They dropped in another retrofit for ordance-carrying fighters that made them significantly more effective.

A lot of board wargame companies these days offer living rules: as errata and the need for fine-tuning come up, they issue new electronic copies of the rules. It's saved some games from the dustbin.

GW, when people start coming up with things are are against the spirit of the rules, put out fixes! Work on the rules until you have a really solid ruleset. If people just aren't taking certain units, heck, fiddle with the point cost, if nothing else! Make sure that there are multiple viable build strategies for each codex.

I don't blame GW for putting out rules that don't quite work as all of the codices come out. After all, with 21 "core" factions, it's simply impossible to test all of the combinations. Failing to fix obvious, overwhelming problems, though, it unforgiveable.

The Bloody price. I'M a middle class Yob who enjoyed Rogue Trader, Space Hulk and Space Marine.

I love the models but can't afford a $150 USD "starter set" for the Horus Heresy.

I am hopeful about the bounty of new video games coming out though!