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Victrix announced new Ancient Greek cavalry

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Armand

I do not think it is Greek cavalry but rather Macedonian.

BelgianRay,I think that they supply other heads so that you can make different cavalry. Mike Adams

look like companions to me – anyway very nice!!!!!

Looks like Victrix will provide alternative helmets and arms (long/short sleeved). On their Facebook page options for xyston, sword and javelins. Add shield and you have Greek or later Macedonian cavalry.

Even worse, elephants……

Belgian, they're still Greek

Whatever they are, they are superb!

Mars,not if you were an Athenian!

Glad you like them boys!. (smile)

Amicalement
Armand

Mars, don't tell that to a Greek, it's like telling a Belgian Flemish that he speaks Dutch.

Mithridates, I do not have Mugbook, so thanks for informing me, yes that would make it probably viable for Greeks, allthough I would find the lion skin still proplematic, and same goes for the horse harnasses.

As for Vespasian : you are absolutely right, will certainly buy them.

The people in the modern country called "Macedonia" are not at all Greek. They're slavs.

The Macedonia of Alexander's era was pretty Greek in terms of language, culture, and religion. Some regard them as semi-barbaric; they were certainly close cousins to the Greeks culturally.

These guys are pretty heavily armored. Does Victrix offer any good light Greek cavalry, or would headswapped Numidians be the solution.

Thanks, JC. Yes, I was referencing ancient Macedon, of course, not modern.

I'm pretty sure the above comments about Macedonians not Greek are in jest, but I'll give a little anecdote just in case.

Professor Jeremy McInerny, Greek historian at UCLA (if I remember correctly) in a lecture gave this ancedote about a Macedonian who applied to be in the Olympic games but was at first denied because some in Attica didn't want to consider him "Greek". He appealed based on language and culture and was indeed allowed to compete. This demonstrates that he was considered Greek, even if grudgingly so. Overall, Greeks were pretty exclusive about who was and wasn't in the club.

was that Macedonian Philip, father of AtG?

Honestly I can't remember, but something makes me think that it was. I'd have to go back and check that. I heard it from the Great Lectures series. Could have been though. Is that the story you heard?

JC Lira : I would say yes to the head swapping with The Numidians, brilliant idea me thinks.

was that Macedonian Philip, father of AtG?

Sounds like Alexander I: the story is told in Herodotus, 5.22. The argument he used was that he was descended from an Argive family.

Isocrates, in his address to Philip II (Isoc. 5), makes various claims about Philip's descent (ultimately from Herakles) to establish his Greekness by implication.

Pop a suitable Roman head on the top figure, slap on a velite shield, shorten the spear a bit and you've got a passable mid Republican roman cavalry man.

Various other conversions would depend on what's on the sprue in the footware and saddle department.

Tarantella, would Romans have used that one-piece cuirass?

A shorter cuirass might be more typical but pictorial evidence of the period 350-150BC is scant and a leather rather than bronze cuirass is just as likely but in the same vein the rider bodies from the Iberian cavalry would do as Italian or Italian allied cavalry men (with a suitable head) but the Iberian horse decorations have a Eastern feel about them say Persian or Indian.

"Pop a suitable Roman head on the top figure, slap on a velite shield, shorten the spear a bit and you've got a passable mid Republican roman cavalry man."

That depends how far you're bothered about the Fashion Police: there's a story that Scipio Aemilianus rejected a man from the cavalry muster because he turned up wearing a long-sleeved tunic. Effeminate and un-Roman!

Fantastic models. Looking forward to seeing the elephants also.