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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian14 Sep 2016 2:55 p.m. PST

Best ruleset or supplement based on or inspired by The Sword and the Flame?

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP14 Sep 2016 3:59 p.m. PST

An unpublished set by one of our local gamers
which is based on the Sudan campaigns of the late
C19. It allows multiple units of BOTH sides
to move OR fire in the same turn of a card.

But not both (move;fire). The morale is also
tweaked. Imperial units (British, etc.) have their
morale pegged to fire combat. Native units have
theirs pegged to movement.

When a card is turned, it will read something like
3 Natives move; 2 Imperials fire.

It's a great system and I've thoroughly enjoyed
the two-three dozen games I've played using it.

kallman14 Sep 2016 4:11 p.m. PST

Define based on or inspired by? TSATF has a ton of spin off with Variant titles such as The Tomahawk and the Flame (Indian Plains Wars) and others that are set for various periods and conflicts. One could say that any Colonial era rule set was based or inspired by TSATF.

I am waiting right now on my copies of Congo and The Men Who Would be Kings to arrive. I would say both are inspired by TSATF. However, TSATF is inspired by the very period itself and such films as Gunga Din, The White Feather, Zulu/Zulu Dawn and Beau Geste. Andby extemsion all such miniature rules that attempt to capture the era.

Oh and Ed does your friend have those rules posted on the internet anywhere?

Personal logo PaulCollins Supporting Member of TMP14 Sep 2016 4:14 p.m. PST

I really like With Ol' Gimlet Eye for Marines v rebels in Central America. They play well.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP14 Sep 2016 4:24 p.m. PST

The Original
The Hive and the Flame

… in that order. Haven't played any other ones, so …

Winston Smith14 Sep 2016 8:55 p.m. PST

800 Fighting Englishmen.

Lion in the Stars14 Sep 2016 9:12 p.m. PST

Second Hive and the Flame.

Bismarck15 Sep 2016 12:38 p.m. PST

Haven't played all the variants, but for me it is a toss up between The Sword in Africa and The Sword in the Phillipines.
Both are an absolute blast to play.
I really don't count my favorite, Chassepot & Needlegun as a spin off.

Old Contemptibles15 Sep 2016 12:58 p.m. PST

"The Sword in North Africa" This is one that Larry designed himself.

Personal logo piper909 Supporting Member of TMP15 Sep 2016 2:10 p.m. PST

Mine. "The Sword in the Heather," unauthorized and unpublished (to date). But a thoroughly playtested variant for the Jacobite rebellions.

Of the official variants, The Sword in North Africa" is the one we play the most.

Winston Smith15 Sep 2016 8:06 p.m. PST

Well, "Flames of Liberty" is both unfinished and unauthorized and unpublished. "Both"?
It works, and is fun.

Ney Ney16 Sep 2016 4:06 a.m. PST

The Sword in North Africa. Another classic colonial setting.

Personal logo piper909 Supporting Member of TMP17 Sep 2016 9:40 a.m. PST

Oh, and I have forgotten the name, but the variant for the Boxer rebellion makes a very enjoyable change of pace, too, with colorful armies. I believe there's also something out there for the Indian Mutiny/Sepoy Rebellion?

warren bruhn18 Sep 2016 11:41 a.m. PST

I like the Ian Croxall adaptations (unpublished as far as I know) for French Foreign Legion in North Africa. But generally his variant is notable for having two levels of wounds, lesser wounds which allow for continued fighting and incapacitating wounds that don't. See his Red Shadow games on Warflag.com

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