"Female Soldier Known as 'Kurdish Angelina Jolie'..." Topic

… Killed in Battle Against Daesh.

"Asia Ramazan Antar was only 18 when she joined the Kurdish military organization, Yekineyen Parastina Jin (YPJ), or the Women's Protection Unit.

If reports are to be believed, this young girl was martyred in a fierce battle with the ISIS in Syria last week. She was 22…"
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It's very sad when a people are so desperate that even the young women see no future that doesn't involve warfare and killing.

They know that to be a female and "infidel" according to Daesh, that to be captured by these savages may be worse than death. You could say the same about some of the Western militaries pushing to put females in combat units.

God help any Western females captured by Daesh. As we know of at least one American female aid worker that was tortured, raped and eventually died by Daesh hands. What is so hard for some to see that this is bad idea ? The Kurds have no choice. The West does …

She joined the YPG because she wanted to and truly believed in the cause she fought for. Could she have chosen an easier and safer life? Sure, but there are some things that are worth dying for. The fact that she's attractive is really irrelevant.

"What is so hard for some to see that this is bad idea ? The Kurds have no choice. The West does …"

Yet some how male soldiers will have it better if captured?? We've been at war for going on 16 years. So far the extremists have killed every allied soldier they've gotten their hands on except ONE! If a female or male volunteer to take the risk, then so be it.

Yet some how male soldiers will have it better if captured?

They're less likely to be raped, at the very least.

You can only be killed once.

Is rape worst than torture? Is rape something that only women have to face?

She joined the YPG because she wanted to and truly believed in the cause she fought for. Could she have chosen an easier and safer life? Sure, but there are some things that are worth dying for.

That can be said for many in that situation or similar. I have said nothing negative about her service. She did what she thought was right. We all have to laud that … May she RIP … and may all the others fighting these savages

Yet some how male soldiers will have it better if captured?? We've been at war for going on 16 years. So far the extremists have killed every allied soldier they've gotten their hands on except ONE! If a female or male volunteer to take the risk, then so be it.

Yes, so be it … but I'm sure if given the option. No one wants to be captured or even die … male or female … But again, the Kurds have no choice it seems … the West does. Whether they volunteer or like the Kurds they may very well Have to defend their people to survive, etc., …

Note there were US soldiers in Iraq that were captured and killed link … but don't know if they were raped. Does it matter ?

I agree with this Lion …

They're less likely to be raped, at the very least.

You can only be killed once.

Yes, it is generally an accepted fact … that Males are much less likely to be raped.

Is rape worst than torture? Is rape something that only women have to face?

Don't know … have never tortured or raped … You ? And again, generally, in the overwhelming majority of cases … Males are not raped … AFAIK …

It's very sad when a people are so desperate that even the young women see no future that doesn't involve warfare and killing.

Well when it comes to killing scum than you need everyone fighting.

If ISIS had captured her back when she was 17 they would have raped her and then sold her.

So she fought them for four years and I bet that she took out a few of them before they killed her.

We need more like her to fight the evil in this world.

Is rape worst than torture?

It kinda scares me that someone even needs to ask that question.

With torture, the usual purpose is to extract information. The fact that there *is* a purpose to it makes it easier to endure, and easier to recover from, mentally.

With rape, the usual purpose is nothing other than asserting dominance or otherwise breaking the victim. Violence for the sake of violence. That does a lot more damage to the psyche than intentional violence. I'm sure there's a PhD in figuring out why that is.

Is rape something that only women have to face?

No, sometimes men are raped, too. I even know of a case where a man was raped by 3 women.

But men being raped is much less common than women being raped.

"With torture, the usual purpose is to extract information. The fact that there *is* a purpose to it makes it easier to endure, and easier to recover from, mentally."

hahahaha,,,, OMG… hahahaahha really?? I'll have to try and remember this, if I'm ever being tortured I'll tell myself. This is easier to endure because they want something from me and its a lot better than

Just because they don't show it in the movies or report it in the mainstream news media doesn't mean it don't happen.

"A 2009 study by Lara Stemple[23] found that it had been documented in conflicts worldwide; for example, 76% of male political prisoners in 1980s El Salvador and 80% of concentration camp inmates in Sarajevo reported being raped or sexually tortured. Stemple concludes that the "lack of attention to sexual abuse of men during conflict is particularly troubling given the widespread reach of the problem".[16][24] Mervyn Christian of Johns Hopkins School of Nursing has found that male rape is commonly underreported.[25]"

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Rape and torture are both about exercising power and the violent imposition of one person's will upon another unwilling person. Thus rape is a type of torture and torture is a kind of rape. In the case of torture the motive is more likely the acquisition of compliance (or the breaking of will) rather than sexual gratification, but the violent imposition of will upon another person and the exercise of arbitrary power is the same. More disturbingly, all war is an extension of both torture and rape as it is the use of organized mass-violence to impose a foreign will upon an adversarial group of human beings against their wills. They are just three heads of the dark hydra of the human condition and the inhumanity which lurks below the veneer of law and civilization which covers our bestial natures. That veneer is very important but we are too often willing to cast it aside for selfish and base reasons.

I wonder why video games and wargames don't make this clear to their players and accurately display the horrors of war, rape and torture as part of their narrative? Perhaps the games, books, TV shows and movies are more about selling such violence and enabling war, torture and rape rather than about educating the uninitiated about war's true face?

This Kurdish woman was a heroine to some and no doubt a monster to others but at least her life and her death/sacrifice was real. Ms Jolie, for all her talents and beauty, is an actor, a counterfeiter of reality who plays make-believe professionally and does very well by it. Perhaps we should remember that Ms. Jolie could play the American Asia Antar rather than saying that the late Ms. Antar is the Kurdish Jolie. Reality trumps fiction and distinction between the two is sometimes lacking.

Rod Robertson.

But men being raped is much less common than women being raped.

I think that is true statement … regardless where or when. Not that is really matters … There is no score trying to be run up.

hahahaha,,,, OMG… hahahaahha really?? I'll have to try and remember this, if I'm ever being tortured I'll tell myself. This is easier to endure because they want something from me and its a lot better than !

Don't even kid about that … And it that your best reply to some pretty valid comments ?

This Kurdish woman was a heroine to some and no doubt a monster to others but at least her life and her death/sacrifice was real.

Yes … sadly she was forced by circumstances to fight those that want to kill, rape, enslave, etc., her people. She did her duty which again was unfortunate that she and others like her "had to do" … for a variety of reasons.