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MichaelCollinsHimself09 Sep 2016 10:49 a.m. PST

I`m planning to release my Grand Manoeuvre Ancients Rules in several parts; the first part being, Rome`s wars with the Barbarians in the period from 112BC to 106 AD.
I plan also to do Rome`s Civil and Servile wars in another set. There would be some overlap of these wars, the servile and civil wars being from 135-40 BC but I was wondering what you might think about this?
Each rules set would be a pdf download, priced at £10.00 GBP each. Do you think that this would be reasonable treating them separately?

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP09 Sep 2016 11:02 a.m. PST

Not very pricey but I wonder how much overlap there is – if a lot, you might want to lump them and say raise the price to 15GBP each

VVV reply09 Sep 2016 12:17 p.m. PST

Well I generally sell my pdf rules for £5.00 GBP a go but if there are details of campaigns or battles in there, that could justify the extra price.

Looks like the rules themselves will be an element based system.

MichaelCollinsHimself09 Sep 2016 12:34 p.m. PST

Yes, they are element based and the package will include selected scenarios from the campaigns with OOB`s & army lists too.

There are some features which may perhaps be of interest to gamers:

Optional stratagems section in game the set up (this uses about 30 strategems from Frontinus and Polyaenus).

Optional pre-battle speeches to select to improve army morale and combat factors.

Optional "Heroic Death" or "Devotio" rules for when things start to go belly-up for either the Barbarians or the Romans respectively.

VVV reply09 Sep 2016 1:02 p.m. PST

Yes thats something often overlooked. I think one battle was one by Rome when their commander plunged into the midst of the enemy

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MichaelCollinsHimself09 Sep 2016 1:11 p.m. PST

Yes, that`s the guy… primarily I`ve included "Heroic Death" as a means allow barbarians to win on their own terms. I still say that everyone knows and remembers the name of "Spartacus"

VVV reply09 Sep 2016 2:23 p.m. PST

But Spartacus lost!

MichaelCollinsHimself09 Sep 2016 11:12 p.m. PST

Yes, but ask anyone else (people who do not study history in any way) and they most probably will not know who finally defeated him at the battle of Silarus.
A good few wargamers will not even know this or be able to recall immediately!
And as for Boudica? I think my point also applies!
Losers on the face of it…

But, for all this, I think we have to ask why warbands charged impetuously? What thoughts had THEY for their personal safety or for an after-life?
See in Mus`s case how that self-sacrifice was considered a most honorable and noble thing, and it would have been so even in the case of a defeat.

Admittedly, it is a different kind of win – it`s a moral victory to THE CELT at the time and not merely a consolation prize or a "wooden spoon"!

gavandjosh0210 Sep 2016 2:43 a.m. PST

They sound rather interesting. What's the reason for stopping at 106AD? I like the idea of the heroic death – although it doesn't seem to have helped Hasdrubal.

VVV reply10 Sep 2016 3:34 a.m. PST

But, for all this, I think we have to ask why warbands charged impetuously? What thoughts had THEY for their personal safety or for an after-life?

I think we can answer that one, status in the tribe and rewards in heaven. Fighting naked was also another little quirk.

MichaelCollinsHimself10 Sep 2016 9:57 a.m. PST

Stopping at 106, ends with Trajan`s campaigns against the Dacians.

MichaelCollinsHimself10 Sep 2016 12:15 p.m. PST

Actually going to the end of Trajan`s reign I could also include the Parthian Wars.

MichaelCollinsHimself11 Sep 2016 10:40 a.m. PST

This is the plan for the first part of my Ancients Rules… So, being slightly expanded, I hope there`ll be enough to interest gamers with Barbarian armies here:

Grand Manoeuvre – Rome & the Barbarians.

Jugurthine War 112–106 BC
Cimbrian War: 112-101 BC.
Rebellions in Spain: war with the Celtiberi 98 & 82 BC
Sertorian War 80-72BC
Caesar`s Conquest of Gaul: 58-51 BC.
Roman-Parthian Wars: Crassus at Carrahae 53 BC
Roman-Parthian Wars: Publius Ventidius Bassus 39-38 BC
Roman-Parthian Wars: Mark Antony 36 BC
German campaigns: Lupia River 11 BC, Teutoburg Forest 9 AD & Idistaviso16 AD
British Resistance and Rebellion: Medway 43 AD, Caer Cradoc AD 51, Boudica 61 AD and Mons Graupius 83 AD.
Roman-Parthian Wars: The Armenian War of 58–63 AD
Dacia: Domitian`s raids 85-87 AD & Trajan`s campaigns in 101-106 AD
Roman-Parthian Wars: Trajan's Parthian campaign 116 AD

As it will take me some time to get scenarios and army lists for these battles/campaigns/wars together, I think I will make information for the Social, Civil and Servile wars available separtely.
I`ve no idea when this will be ready… next year sometime ?

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