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Codsticker04 Sep 2016 8:20 a.m. PST

I am looking for some kneeling musketeers for my ECW force. I have found the odd dragoon but not whole blisters. Anyone know of a manufacturer who has some in their range?

Vallerotonda04 Sep 2016 8:55 a.m. PST

You don't mention which scale you are referring to but please carry on sending out mails requesting only kneeling figures .of any period.
I NEVER use kneeling figures and when ordering mixed-posed bags of 15mm figures I often ask the supplier to only include standing figures if this is possible . Gentlemen like QRF and Fighting 15s usually comply with no problem .
It does however help my conscience to know that somebody wants to buy the odd kneeling figures which I have left in the suppliers stock

MajorB04 Sep 2016 8:56 a.m. PST

Did ECW musketeers kneel at all when fighting?

eddy195704 Sep 2016 9:29 a.m. PST

Bicorne has one in 28mm

martin goddard Sponsoring Member of TMP04 Sep 2016 10:28 a.m. PST

There are no kneeing musketeers in the PP range. But I am sure they might be useful for specialist actions such as sieges? Difficult to load and manoeuvre if some chaps are kneeling. Popular with rule cover artists though.


Chokidar04 Sep 2016 10:34 a.m. PST

Redoubt do at least two – CW38 and 39 and possibly others if you scour all the options in the ECW range and the TYW

RICHARDC1967 Supporting Member of TMP04 Sep 2016 11:09 a.m. PST

Front Rank Figurines, Firelock and Matchlock muskets


Codsticker04 Sep 2016 12:38 p.m. PST

Thank you everyone.
<qDid ECW musketeers kneel at all when fighting?
I have no idea but some might have done so of their own accord as, judging by some photos, reenactors seem to do. Also, apparently Adolphus trained his front rank of musketeers to kneel and perhaps Englishmen serving in his army may have witnessed it or were even trained so.

Timmo uk05 Sep 2016 10:38 a.m. PST

From what I understand the usual way for a formed body of musketeers to fire was by each man coming forward to give fire before turning around and moving to the rear of the formation through gaps left in the files precisely for this purpose.

I think it's called something like firing by induction or exduction but I doubt I've spelt those correctly. Induction slowly takes the body forward and exduction slowly takes it backwards while both put out a constant trickle of fire. In such circumstances I can only assume all firing was done from a standing position.

Likewise with older muskets that required a rest they would presumably always be fired from a standing position.

However, as muskets become lighter and rests were done away with and units began to volley fire in three ranks I'm sure some probably did fire kneeling and they may well have done so if protected from attacking horse by their own pikemen.

Perhaps somebody knows for sure. Dave Ryan probably has some thoughts worth reading on this.

Codsticker07 Sep 2016 2:20 p.m. PST

I'm sure some probably did fire kneeling and they may well have done so if protected from attacking horse by their own pikemen.

That's exactly what I am planning to model and the reason for my enquiry.

Henry Martini07 Sep 2016 6:30 p.m. PST

Introduction and extroduction.

Elenderil11 Sep 2016 3:41 a.m. PST

Firing methods included variations on firing by vollies, what was known at the time as Salvee (Salvoe in modern terms). The unit would double its frontage by bring up the half files to change the six deep formation to one three ranks deep. The front rank knelt the second closed up and stooped and the third closed over and were standing.

There were variations on the theme. The New Model may have fired by two ranks at a time. Sort of a mix between introduction and salvee.

So there were formations where musketeers knelt in the ECW.

Codsticker12 Sep 2016 9:03 a.m. PST

Thank you Elenderil, that is useful information.

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