Editor in Chief Bill | 29 Aug 2016 10:38 a.m. PST |
Which general on the Confederate side of the American Civil War do you think was the best? |
HidaSeku | 29 Aug 2016 10:40 a.m. PST |
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doug redshirt | 29 Aug 2016 10:42 a.m. PST |
Which ever stayed loyal to their oath to defend the constitution and nation and fought on the side of the Union, like Thomas for example. |
Rapier Miniatures | 29 Aug 2016 10:45 a.m. PST |
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uglyfatbloke | 29 Aug 2016 10:58 a.m. PST |
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Bill N | 29 Aug 2016 11:11 a.m. PST |
Best General who commanded an army-Lee. Best General who didn't command an army-Cleburne. |
Herkybird | 29 Aug 2016 11:20 a.m. PST |
I would go for Longstreet!
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Winston Smith | 29 Aug 2016 11:26 a.m. PST |
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Who asked this joker | 29 Aug 2016 11:35 a.m. PST |
Best/most trusted general has got to be R.E. Lee. Best second bananas: Cleburne*, Longstreet*, Jackson in that order. John *Switch positions between these two if you like. They were both fine commanders. |
Old Contemptibles | 29 Aug 2016 11:40 a.m. PST |
1. Lee 2. Jackson 3. Forrest 4. Cleburne |
wrgmr1 | 29 Aug 2016 11:41 a.m. PST |
It depends on the context. Army Generals Lee, Cleburne Corps Generals Jackson, Longstreet |
Ottoathome | 29 Aug 2016 11:47 a.m. PST |
Generals Floyd, Wise, and Pillow |
cavcrazy | 29 Aug 2016 11:56 a.m. PST |
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Rapier Miniatures | 29 Aug 2016 12:00 p.m. PST |
Well Forrest certainly was the souths best terrorist and murderer. |
138SquadronRAF | 29 Aug 2016 12:32 p.m. PST |
+1 Rapier. You left out war criminal too. Interesting,we were asked for our favourite Union general even if not the best. Here we get the best? Bias? Say it isn't so? Actually shows how bad the Confederate generals were when Bragg retains control as long as he does. Not to mention some of the other clowns they had. |
mad monkey 1 | 29 Aug 2016 12:44 p.m. PST |
And people talk about Southerners not being able to let it go…. |
LtJBSz | 29 Aug 2016 12:44 p.m. PST |
As a diehard Yankee, the best Confederate general from that perspective is, of course, Braxton Bragg. |
Cyrus the Great | 29 Aug 2016 1:01 p.m. PST |
Had to check, Tango01 is still in the Dawghouse. |
The Beast Rampant | 29 Aug 2016 1:04 p.m. PST |
I'm surprised we the conversation got as far as it did before the usual type of asshole showed up to on the parade. Lets see if they serve the good brand of dogfood here, or that really cheap crap from WalMart. |
tigrifsgt | 29 Aug 2016 1:07 p.m. PST |
Getting back on track, Stonewall. |
Wackmole9 | 29 Aug 2016 1:17 p.m. PST |
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Ceterman | 29 Aug 2016 1:24 p.m. PST |
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Red Jacket | 29 Aug 2016 1:50 p.m. PST |
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The Gray Ghost | 29 Aug 2016 2:12 p.m. PST |
Best would be Lee, but honorable mention to Joe Johnston He was often given crap assignments with a defeated army. |
peterx | 29 Aug 2016 2:15 p.m. PST |
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Calico Bill | 29 Aug 2016 2:45 p.m. PST |
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Trajanus | 29 Aug 2016 2:56 p.m. PST |
Have to agree with 138, not a wide field of choice once you get past the top end but I've always liked John B. Gordon. |
Old Pete | 29 Aug 2016 3:24 p.m. PST |
James Longstreet in the East and Patrick Cleburne in the West. |
ACWBill | 29 Aug 2016 4:28 p.m. PST |
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CORebel | 29 Aug 2016 4:48 p.m. PST |
Lee, Jackson, then A.P. Hill in the east Forrest and Cleburne in the west |
Private Matter | 29 Aug 2016 5:12 p.m. PST |
Patrick Cleburne and Byran Grimes |
Endless Grubs | 29 Aug 2016 5:15 p.m. PST |
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John Leahy | 29 Aug 2016 5:32 p.m. PST |
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pmwalt | 29 Aug 2016 6:05 p.m. PST |
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DWilliams | 29 Aug 2016 6:24 p.m. PST |
The best Confederate general? A DEAD Confederate general! |
Bill N | 29 Aug 2016 6:25 p.m. PST |
not a wide field of choice once you get past the top end I don't see how you come to that conclusion. General-Lee: Lt. General-Longstreet, Jackson, Taylor, Forrest and Hampton: Maj. General-Cleburne, Mahone and Gordon. Near misses would include Early, Magruder, McCulloch and Watie. |
SgtPain | 29 Aug 2016 6:30 p.m. PST |
R.E. Lee was the best South had. Lee was not the greatest general of the civil war, however he is best the the South had. Both generals Longstreet and Jackson were solid/ superior commanders as well and deserve the 2nd and 3 place. In fact all three would be all-star commanders on ether side during the Civil War. However, after you list the three generals above, the rest of the southern generals are a pretty motley assortment,ranging from very good to awful. Don't get me wrong I know the Union Army had more then it share so-so to awful military commanders, it just that the South seem to have more then it fair share. |
Lascaris | 29 Aug 2016 7:18 p.m. PST |
Lee for me without question. I think without him the war is over in '63 at the latest. |
Noble Crow | 29 Aug 2016 8:02 p.m. PST |
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DisasterWargamer | 29 Aug 2016 8:14 p.m. PST |
Cleburne and Jackson Stonewalls of the east and west |
Old Contemptibles | 29 Aug 2016 10:34 p.m. PST |
Shelby Foote (not an Historian) did say that he thought the Civil War had two geniuses, Lincoln and Forrest. Forrest was a bad man but he was a superb field commander. No denying it. I believe the topic was best General, not the best person. I wish Forrest had shot Bragg, he sure thought about it. |
Old Contemptibles | 29 Aug 2016 10:41 p.m. PST |
Bragg remained the AOT commander because of his personal relationship with Davis. Says more about Davis than it does Bragg. I still wish Forrest would had shot Bragg. |
advocate | 29 Aug 2016 11:32 p.m. PST |
Mad Monkey 1: the bad news for you is that some people over here feel the same way about the ECW. |
Dances with Clydesdales | 30 Aug 2016 4:32 a.m. PST |
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Murphy | 30 Aug 2016 5:36 a.m. PST |
Rapier said: Well Forrest certainly was the souths best terrorist and murderer. and 138th added "War Criminal". I'd like to know what evidence you have that supports these accusations?
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langobard | 30 Aug 2016 5:58 a.m. PST |
Another vote for Lee. Sometimes I wonder how long the war would have gone on if he had been slightly less aggressive. Then I remember that in the end he was up against Grant who fully understood how to use the Union juggernaut, and decide that it doesn't really matter… |
dagc54 | 30 Aug 2016 7:09 a.m. PST |
General Nathan Bedford Forrest. |
138SquadronRAF | 30 Aug 2016 7:13 a.m. PST |
I'd like to know what evidence you have that supports these accusations? The surrendered and murdered of Ft Pillow – war crime. See Andrew Ward, "River Run Red: The Fort Pillow Massacre in the American Civil War" 2005 is probably the best modern account. Shooting white officers of African American troops was official Confederate police of course, so Forrest could claim the SS defense I suppose "Ve vere only obaying ze orders" – aka "The Nuremberg Defence (Befehl ist Befehl). You see Confederate Secretary of War Seddon in June 1864 wrote: "As to the white officers serving with negro troops, we ought never to be inconvenienced with such prisoners." So there is certainly a lot of blame to go around in the OKW, sorry Confederate High Command. Sorry it doesn't portray Forrest as the "Christian Knight"(or should that be "Grand Wizard") he became at Pulaski, TN in August of 1866. The "Strange Fruit" of the KKK make him a terrorist. But then I suppose you'd say that the KKK was merely a 'gentleman's club'aimed at preserving the Southern way of life and culture. Even if there is more culture in a petri dish than in the anti-bellum south preserved by Forrest and his ilk. But you know what Murphy, if you want to celebrate Nathan Bedford Forrest go right ahead, because that tells us all we need. |
Murphy | 30 Aug 2016 8:33 a.m. PST |
But you know what Murphy, if you want to celebrate Nathan Bedford Forrest go right ahead, because that tells us all we need. Who's celebrating. I asked a question of your statement. Nice try with Alinsky rule #12 138. Generalize much? Interesting that I ask a question, and you jump off on a generalization like that. But if you want to talk Ft. Pillow, why not remember that no matter "what" a "modern author" may write, investigations of Ft. Pillow show no evidence that Forrest ordered anything such as what you implied. In fact the investigation by Sherman (who basically said, we are going to investigate Forrest, find him guilty, and hang him), could find no supporting evidence whatsoever to support Sherman's desires to hang him from a tree. Sorry it doesn't portray Forrest as the "Christian Knight"(or should that be "Grand Wizard") he became at Pulaski, TN in August of 1866.The "Strange Fruit" of the KKK make him a terrorist. But then I suppose you'd say that the KKK was merely a 'gentleman's club'aimed at preserving the Southern way of life and culture. Even if there is more culture in a petri dish than in the anti-bellum south preserved by Forrest and his ilk. As we are discussing Confederate Generals on this post, which means between 1861 and 1865, your decision to bring in Post-war actions is irrelevant to the discussion, except to allow you to fan your misguided flames a little more. But hey, let's not let historical facts get in the way or your generalizations and implications on people who simply asked you a question…. |
Who asked this joker | 30 Aug 2016 8:35 a.m. PST |
Ft Pillow assault as told by Achilles Clark of the 20th Tennessee cavalry. PDF link I believe this guy above all other accounts (especially the revised modern ones) a) because he is a Confederate cavalry Trooper, b) because he was there and c) because he shows remorse and restraint. This also falls in line with some of the other accounts both Union and Confederate. In case you decide not to read the account, here is one of the most damning statements… "I with several others tried to stop the butchery and at one time had partially succeeded. but Gen. Forrest ordered them shot down like dogs." --Achilles Clark |