"Cursed Weaponry/GoT style" Topic

A staple of Fantasy Fiction is the magic weapon, something like Excalibur or the like, a weapon that an effect on combat or the characters using them. Most often it is a beneficial effect. Less common are cursed weapons, weapons that have a negative effect on those wielding them.

In GoT we have several named weapons and a few others without names that are identified because of their owners, stuff like Roberts Hammer, Longclaw, etc.. Chief among these is Ice, the legendary Valeryian Steel Sword of the Starks. Now we know that Valeryian Steel has magic powers in and of itself, look at what it does to White Walkers for example, and in the Book, "Song of Swords" there is a lengthy passage describing Tywin, having taken "Ice: back from Ilyn Payne and having it reforged into two swords, one for King Joffrey and one for Jaime. In the passage (and forgive me but I don't remember if it's described this way in the series) the swordmaker described that, as much as he had tried to impart a Crimson color to the blade, a dark grey kept interefering, at one point he says that it's almost as though the grey is "drinking up" the Crimson. Crimson of course is a Lannister Color, Grey is a house Color of the Starks, who are of course the original owners of "Ice".

Now of course one of the swords is given to Jaime, who rather quickly gives it to Brienne, after charging her with continuing the mission to find and return Arya and Sansa to their home. Joffrey, the recipient of the second blade, is promptly murdered. The Blade then passes to Tommen who winds up committing suicide. Brienne of course finds Arya and Sansa and while Arya is on her way to assassin's school, she is able to help Sansa, eventually. Of course the sword itself doesn't enter into their death's directly.

The difference to me is that Brienne is still wielding "Ice" in service to the Starks, while the sword that Tommen and Joffrey own at the time of their deaths is not. So here perhaps is finally my question, I have for sometime been considering adding GoT characters to the old role-playing game "Pendragon". I wonder if people think that I am reading too much into this whole "sword thing"? I realize "my game/my opinion" but I care about those I play with.

So here we go, is my theory feasible?

There are quite a few other Valyrian swords in the books. Including oddly enough a dagger. The famous one that didn't kill Caitlyn.
And a Valyrian axe.
Most Houses have one.
I have never heard of any cursed behavior.
But perhaps Ice is special. It KNOWS who it belongs to.

And Tommen hasn't committed suicide on the books yet. If I live that long, I may find out.

It seems that Ned only used Ice for ritual purposes. He certainly didn't use it when fighting Jaime in the street.

"Ice" as described by GRRM is a large sword, perhaps a "great sword" (Medieval terminology is notoriously indistinct, in this case I'll go with that meaning a sword meant to be used with 2 hands) or perhaps a "hand and a half". After all it is large enough to be reformed as a typical knight sword and also a ceremonial sword. So I'm not surprised that Ned isn't carrying it when he runs into Jaime. True Tommen is still alive in the books as is Myrcella but they are prophesied to precede Cersei's own death (which is really sad because in the books Tomen is a sweet little kid).

IIRC GRRM says that there are something like 200 Valeryian blades in the Seven Kingdoms. But I think that "Ice " is special in GRRM's narrative. It's the first named sword we see. Sansa and Arya are both appalled to see it given to Illyn Payne. Of course since I am using some information from the books and some from the series the logic behind this may be on thin ice.

Rumor has it (one if those infernal advanced chapters that George liked to tease at conventions with…) that Euron Greyjoy has a suit of armor made from Valyrian Steel. That's what we need George. More pointless digressions.

It would have been nice if Joffrey had tripped over Ice 2.2 while drunk and disembowled himself at the Purple Wedding while showing off.
Heck with poison. That would be your theory in action.

GRRM has a thing for "super villians. He has Franken-Mountain, Ramsay Bolton, Euron Greyjoy and the Night's King. And now we're going to have a whole big thing in the books about Eron and Victarion and do they seduce Dany and do they steal her dragons? So it will take up 4 or 500 pages and we know that most of it won't really matter in the end. We've been told for 20 years that "winter is coming", shouldn't it finally get here?

Another case where the books won't really matter. HBO has settled that matter with Euron, Victarion (who?), and the dragons.

I read a summary of what GRRM has released about Euron for book 6, it seems that the only crime he hasn't or doesn't commit is double parking.

How about using false measures in a bakery?

Jowady, I have a slight complaint about your comment, namely the Night's King isn't around in the Song of Ice and Fire, and Ramsay isn't the Westerosi equivalent of the Joker.

Now Ser Robert Strong fits the dictionary definition of a super villain, ie. a villain with supernatural or beyond human power, and Euron fits the more common definition.

Now that some of these Valyrion blades are cursed seems plausible. The dagger started the war of the Five Kingdoms, Ice brought down two noble houses, in the histories Blackfyre started a civil war which was worsened by the wielder of Darksister, and searching for Brightroar, the ancestral sword of House Lanister, took Tywin's elder brother.

Furthermore, having a Valyrian steel sword generally makes the user a target, either for fear of being on the receiving end, or because that means that they are rich and powerful. Additionally someone with a Valyrian steel sword is more apt to resort to lethal means, either due to ruthlessness, being the target of plots or perhaps the nature of the steel. It's an interesting though.