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Weasel25 Aug 2016 9:37 a.m. PST

Got to talking about this with a friend and the couple of books I have don't give this information.

What is the first battle Sten guns were used in?

Personal logo Doms Decals Sponsoring Member of TMP25 Aug 2016 9:43 a.m. PST

Good question – I want to say the Bruneval raid for European service, but can't help feeling it should have seen North African battles well before then.

Starfury Rider25 Aug 2016 10:23 a.m. PST

Bruneval seems a good shout –

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What about St Nazaire in Mar42?

Canadians had them for Dieppe in Aug42 –

A total of "approximately 350" Stens was issued to the Canadian force engaged at DIEPPE (Major-General J.H. Roberts to Adv HQ 1 Cdn Corps,30 Oct 42, 2 Cdn Div file 2DS(G) 1-1-23-1, at present in custody of Historical
Section, CMHQ). This was the first occasion on which the Canadians used the Sten, and many adverse reports were received upon its performance.

PDF link

Gary

Weasel25 Aug 2016 2:04 p.m. PST

Very curious to see if anyone can find something in Africa in 41.

Rod I Robertson25 Aug 2016 2:43 p.m. PST

Weasel:
For reasons unknown to me I was prevented from copying the relevant passage to quote here. But check out the sixth paragraph on the second page of the following article which cites the first use of the Sten in combat as the Dieppe raid.

link

Cheers.
Rod Robertson.

Fatman25 Aug 2016 5:06 p.m. PST

Frosts Paras definitely had Stens during the Bruneval Raid. If you check the Osprey Raid on the Operation there are clear photos of Paras holding he weapons during the rehearsals for the raid.

Fatman

Andy ONeill26 Aug 2016 2:15 a.m. PST

This is the 6th paragraph:
"
Despite entering operational service in 1941, the STEN was not used in direct-enemy combat until 1942 when British and Allied elements (largely Canadian) participated in the disastrous Dieppe amphibious assault on August 12th. Losses included 3,367 Canadians along with 275 British special forces elements to the German's 311 KIA. While the assault was a complete failure for the Allies and a resounding victory for the Germans, the STEN gun was a proven commodity under battlefield conditions. The Dieppe Raid also served as a launching point to the heralded D-Day invasion landings of Normandy in North France of June 1944.
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Weasel26 Aug 2016 6:23 a.m. PST

Well, I suppose that settles it :)

Phrodon29 Aug 2016 11:26 a.m. PST

Dieppe Raid

Starfury Rider29 Aug 2016 11:43 a.m. PST

Found a discussion on another forum which includes one photo from Brunveval with a definite Sten –

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That points to another site with the same pic, plus another possible one –

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Image 1 on page 1 and image 6 on page 3, and image 8 on page 4 seem to show Stens. Sorry, I'm rubbish at posting pics.

Re North Africa, Tommy guns seemed to reign supreme well into 1942. I do wonder if 44th and 50th Divs might have had Sten guns, as they went overseas June and July 1942 respectively. Might be some mention in an Alamein account?

Gary

number430 Aug 2016 2:58 p.m. PST

Never heard of Stens going to North Africa; they would have added another non-standard ammunition type to an already hard pressed supply chain

Of course you van always count on the RAF to throw a spanner in the works

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