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regularly call for mass murder of brown people

And anyone who believes this is a just a biased fool and again fits this into a narrative that was spun up in it's limited mind and version of reality … What did Shakespeare say about, "Not suffering fools gladly …"

On the Spam and Tango issue, I give you a post that is both Spam, Off Topic AND clickbait:

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On the Spam and Tango issue, I give you a post that is both Spam, Off Topic AND clickbait:

It's not off-topic for the Ultramodern Warfare board, is it?

Do you see why some people might find that inappropriate?

I've never understood the mentality of those who would storm off in a huff for the sole reason that people around them actually hold opinions that are different than their own. (oh the horror! Oh, the humanity! Others hold opposing views, I can't stand it!) To me it seems to be a lack of character and maturity.

I especially don't understand what makes the same person then find a platform to announce their running off to any who will listen and pat themselves on the back as being so "brave", and "virtuous" because they left. In fact they are weak willed, intolerant, and are engaging in plain old attention seeking behavior.

But what do I know?

And anyone who believes this is a just a biased fool and again fits this into a narrative that was spun up in it's limited mind and version of reality

I suspect that very few people believe that, Legion 4. In fact I suspect the anonymous coward who posted that on the miscreant in question's blog does not believe half of what he posts. The bottom line is that a few sad individuals disagree with your right of center politics and thus they ascribe to you just about every negative characteristic they can think of. Rather than actually deal with you as a real person they build this imaginary boogieman or cartoonish caricature that they then attack in an effort to prove in their own minds (as well as to their friends) how right, honorable, and virtuous they are.
It's pretty sad behavior.

And don't feel like the Lone Ranger. I get it too, albeit in a lower doses as you are a very frequent poster here while I'm sporadic at best. But there is one clown in particular who has a weird (almost creepy) obsession with me. He once posted this long diatribe about how awful a person I am citing out of context material some 15-20 years old, material he found on the 'net that did not even source from me, a whole bunch of assumptions, a good amount of just made up stuff, and a little bit of truth thrown in! ;-) My favorite bit was when he accused me of being a card carrying Neo-Nazi (presumably without realizing that my having to undergo an annual background check would make that an impossibility) and in the same paragraph accused me of being an "America is always right no matter what" type "Patriotard". Apparently the miscreant was too dim to realize that the two are mutually exclusive. You can't be both. But it just shows how these poorly supervised children just throw out every negative characteristic they can think of and hope something sticks. It's both sad and amusing at the same time.

In the end, don't let the kiddies get to you Legion 4. Just laugh at their antics and how futile they really are. Oh, and just smile with the knowledge that there is not a "man" amongst them who would say any of it to your face.

Regarding the item mentioned by Rapier Miniatures, it is rather difficult to see how a criminal act by a deranged individual counts as being modern warfare.

Regarding the "mass murder of brown people" comment, having spent time a while ago on the ultramodern boards, there did seem to be a tendency among some American posters to regard all residents of the Middle East, except Israelis and possibly the Kurds, as legitimate subjects of collateral damage. I am not convinced that this counts as advocating their mass murder, but it does seem to demonstrate an attitude that is, at best, reprehensible. I do wonder how many of the individuals making those comments had spent time in the region among those people.

Eric

Yes Bill, a murder is off topic as warfare.

Surely it needs to be about Warfare to be on topic?

Since it was a discussion of whether the incident counted as terrorism, and there is currently a global War on Terror, it seemed germane to me.

Regarding the "mass murder of brown people" comment, having spent time a while ago on the ultramodern boards, there did seem to be a tendency among some American posters to regard all residents of the Middle East, except Israelis and possibly the Kurds, as legitimate subjects of collateral damage. I am not convinced that this counts as advocating their mass murder, but it does seem to demonstrate an attitude that is, at best, reprehensible. I do wonder how many of the individuals making those comments had spent time in the region among those people.

And such comments have been dealt with by the moderators (who, by the way, are all "brown people").

What did Shakespeare say about, "Not suffering fools gladly …"

What did he say? Not this as it's from the Bible.

Coined by Saint Paul in his second letter to the people of Corinth (chapter 11). The full verse of the original source of the idiom, 2 Corinthians 11:19 (KJV), reads "For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise."

Best not to misquote the Bard or the Bible, Ralph.

I'd suggest you troop down and ask around to see if the locals agree it was a suitable topic.

It was only suitable if you are willing to have almost any tasteless item posted under the flag of convenience of free speech.

I suspect that very few people believe that, Legion 4. In fact I suspect the anonymous coward who posted that on the miscreant in question's blog does not believe half of what he posts. The bottom line is that a few sad individuals disagree with your right of center politics and thus they ascribe to you just about every negative characteristic they can think of. Rather than actually deal with you as a real person they build this imaginary boogieman or cartoonish caricature that they then attack in an effort to prove in their own minds (as well as to their friends) how right, honorable, and virtuous they are.
It's pretty sad behavior.

I have to agree … but it's easy for them to hide behind the internet …

In the end, don't let the kiddies get to you Legion 4. Just laugh at their antics and how futile they really are. Oh, and just smile with the knowledge that there is not a "man" amongst them who would say any of it to your face.

I again have to agree … I have identified these types as children, etc., before …

Regarding the "mass murder of brown people" comment, having spent time a while ago on the ultramodern boards, there did seem to be a tendency among some American posters to regard all residents of the Middle East, except Israelis and possibly the Kurds, as legitimate subjects of collateral damage. I am not convinced that this counts as advocating their mass murder, but it does seem to demonstrate an attitude that is, at best, reprehensible.

That is not true … IMO … I did not make that comment only repeating what was said about me and others on the blog. CD is a very unfortunate side of warfare. I don't advocate CD at all. To anyone brown, black red, yellow, green, etc., … I just understand its sometimes unavoidable. But I've deal with you before Eric. And know you'll find what I say "reprehensible". I'm one of those Americans you must be talking about.

I do wonder how many of the individuals making those comments had spent time in the region among those people.

I personally spent a lot of time in Central America in the early '80s and Korea '84-'85. Is that brown enough ? Don't judge me, you don't know me … Did You painted a picture of me like seems to fit your bias ?

As Martin said …

they ascribe to you just about every negative characteristic they can think of. Rather than actually deal with you as a real person they build this imaginary boogieman or cartoonish caricature that they then attack in an effort to prove in their own minds

I hope not Eric … if you were an officer, I'd think you'd know better … yes ? Maybe not ?

What did he say? Not this as it's from the Bible.

I'm pretty sure Shakespeare said. "I do not suffer fools gladly. " Maybe he got that from the bible ? Albeit I can't quote number and verse. But I know my way around the Bible. Especially the Old Testament.

Great … now I'm going to DH'd for religion !

Ralph, have you read/seen 'King Lear'?

There's a character in that who is, literally (but not metaphorically), a Fool. I think you're confused.

The line in question is somewhat of a cliché, used by those who don't really "know their way around the Bible".
Indeed, I think when used, as it is too often in our contemporary world, it is thinly disguised self-praise.
As a suggestion, next time you're in the DH, take the Complete Works of Shakespeare & a King James' edition of the Bible with you. Great literature that advocates acceptance, forgiveness, pacifism and other worthy traits.

So now I am fool and have not read the bible ? And now you're going to judge and lecture me … Get in line …

So now I am fool and have not read the bible ?

How would I know? If you got that from my post, your reading comprehension needs a little work….

I avoid lecturing people on TMP…..so many hours in the day? As for judging you, I did that many months ago, as I'm sure you have judged me.

Legion 4,

Last time I checked, neither Korea nor Central America were in the Middle East.

Unlike you, I have spent quite a bit of time in Iraq and Afghanistan; while I despise the Taliban and their ilk, I genuinely liked many of the ordinary Afghans that I encountered and, although we came from completely different cultures and value systems, found that we shared many of the same hopes, fears and ideas.

My view of you is based entirely on your posts here; why do you assume that my comment was aimed at you in particular? You seem to be making an interesting assumption.

However, you are correct that I do not know you; I have no desire to know you.

Eric

So only brown people live in the Mid East ?

My view of you is based entirely on your posts here; why do you assume that my comment was aimed at you in particular? You seem to be making an interesting assumption.

You make a interesting assumption as well. As I said I have run into you before here and know your opinion of me, etc., …

However, you are correct that I do not know you; I have no desire to know you.

Back at ya …

How would I know? If you got that from my post, your reading comprehension needs a little work….

I avoid lecturing people on TMP…..so many hours in the day? As for judging you, I did that many months ago, as I'm sure you have judged me.

Old news … moving on … nothing new here …

Old news … moving on … nothing new here …

Lost for words?

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@Rapier Miniatures – I'm familiar with that thread and, knowing Tango, he obviously posted it for the terrorism discussion and not the murder aspect.

I understand you don't think his posts are worth your time, and/or you fear being baited into clicking. Fortunately, you can tailor your experience using the tools Bill has provided.

Personally, I intend to continue enjoying the vast majority of his posts which are on-topic for the selected boards and provide me with quick links to neat stuff I wouldn't otherwise find. I think it's sad that others would want to take that away.

Legion 4,

My post specifically referred to the Middle East; perhaps you should try reading the posts to which you are responding before you put finger to keyboard. Responding to a post directly mentioning the Middle East by stating that you had spent time in Korea and Central America is slightly bizarre. I have spent time in Central America as well and it is nothing like the Middle East.

Eric

convenience of free speech

Really? I must be doing something wrong. I spend way too much energy defending peoples' right to say stuff I don't agree with.

And the "free speech" argument wouldn't apply here anyway. . BHBR.

Careful now troops, this topic is in danger of turning into the topic that started all this off.

Do you see why some people might find that inappropriate?

Discussion of terrorism has been allowed on the Ultramodern Warfare board. It is not inappropriate. If people do not like that policy, they can unsub from that board or petition for a change in policy.

edit: forget it.

But this was not terrorism, except where that made a sensational headline.

I find it most interesting about the denigration of Brown people from the middle East, by persons purporting to be followers of a brown person from the middle east.

The original thread is in poor taste and off topic.

But this was not terrorism, except where that made a sensational headline… The original thread is in poor taste and off topic.

Was it not a discussion of whether the incident was terrorism or not? If so, it is germane to the board.

I find it most interesting about the denigration of Brown people from the middle East, by persons purporting to be followers of a brown person from the middle east.

I assure you, the "brown" editors will not allow denigration of "brown" people on our forums. If you think a post crosses the line, please hit the Complaint button.

Funny thing … I usually get along pretty well with most of the Vets here … Aberrant seems to be the "aberration". Foxweasel was in Astan and Iraq with the UK Army. Do you see what Eric is saying ? Am I missing something ?

ochoin you just seems to want to bust my "eggs" because I disagree with you. None of your posts seems to me to have anything to do with the topic ? Am I missing something ?

I find it most interesting about the denigration of Brown people from the middle East, by persons purporting to be followers of a brown person from the middle east.

Did I miss something ? I don't see anyone denigrating brown people from anywhere. Again, I only posted that comment from the blog that said I "regularly call for mass murder of brown people" … Which as I said … that is false … I was trying to stop a lie about me. I hate some one who lies …

Bill you should "nuc" this whole thread. It is getting no where, IMO … but annoying …

Am I missing something ?

Yes.

There's some mighty broad brush aspersions in this thread and arguments being thrown back and forth that make this whole thing devolve into childish stupidity. I think my IQ actually dropped reading these posts. There should be a warning label.

A good case could be made that those who recklessly throw around accusations of "hating brown people" in response to those who advocate a harsh response to murderers and terrorist are the ones being racist. Certainly they are the ones showing prejudice, bigotry, intolerance for the views of others, and are being intellectually dishonest in making bogus arguments to shut up their target.

I heard a great quote recently: "racist" is today's version of the word "witch". It's a damning accusation aimed at shutting down all discussion and discrediting the victim. The fact that the accusation has been made is far more important that the truth of said accusation.

Truth be told, were I the editor, I would consider accusations of "racism" (whatever that over-used, ill-defined, Marxist construct of a word even means in 2016) to be a violation of the rules against personal attacks. Of course he's not likely to do that. So can we stop with the intellectually dishonest "shut up word" usage such as accusing those who advocate bombing terrorists of "hating brown people"? If you disagree with the opinion, point out the flaws in the argument and offer alternate views. Trying to shut down opposing views with scary words is pretty low.

But what do I know?

/Pol tactics 101.

/Pol tactics 101.

Is it?
I have no idea. It might be and it might not be. That in no way changes the truth of what I posted.

Your opinion of the truth perhaps, but not The Truth™. An important distinction I feel.

Only works for the front page deary…

Stifle works everywhere.

Discussion going well here, I see.

Yes all top stuff so far.

Normally I avoid this like the plague. But, I went to see why someone I knew was in the DH.

And found this pile of crap.

Mr Editor, how about acting like an editor and do you job
instead of artificially stirring up "controversy".
Or is all of this to bolster the hit parade?

I can't tell you how sick of this I am.

Mr Editor, how about acting like an editor and do your job
instead of artificially stirring up "controversy".

Seeking feedback is part of my job.

Or is all of this to bolster the hit parade?

I never worry about hits, TMP does fine without my worrying about that.

I can't tell you how sick of this I am.

Sick of…? What is it that I've said which you object to? Please try to provide specifics, rather than just vague emotions that no one can do anything about.

Sick of…? What is it that I've said which you object to? Please try to provide specifics, rather than just vague emotions that no one can do anything about.

I'm sick of these silly flame wars that take up space and prove nothing. Don't you have anything better to do than start something like this?
Was it really that vital to "seek feedback" by posting an obvious trolling question?

Had I been able to hit the complaint button on you, for trolling, I would have.

I just don't understand why you interpret 'seeking feedback' as trolling.

just don't understand why you interpret 'seeking feedback' as trolling.

Sorry Bill, but that's beneath you.

Listen, I'm not even on any of those boards. I block all of them because of this nonsense.

You really want to seek feedback? Then send out a request asking for feedback PRIVATELY. You know, like real companies do.

Publish the results when the "transparent" bug strikes you again.

I'm done with this. You should be, also.

Again, I don't understand your viewpoint. I believe in letting the community discuss these issues.

If you disagree with the opinion, point out the flaws in the argument and offer alternate views. Trying to shut down opposing views with scary words is pretty low.

Absolutely! I can't agree more with your post.

Am I missing something ?

Yes.

In this case, IMO, for me … not hitting the "stifle" button sooner …